Renegade re finishing

[OkieDougie]

Few hours of aggressive sanding and the thick factory varnish and stain is gone. Few more hours of lighter grit sanding, replace iron hardware with brass and a finish to go.
Found a nice milk chocolate colored walnut underneath.

 

[bluemule66]

And some nice grain to.

 

[harleysboss]

It's amazing what hides under the factory TC finish.

 

[necchi]

You did a nice job of removing those pesky lock panels,

 

[deerstalkert]

right finish to highlight the grain and that will be stunning!
what i want to know is the name of the granite it is laying on? nice!

 

[OkieDougie]

You did a nice job of removing those pesky lock panels,

The sharp edges around the lock, and other areas, always bothered me. Trying to smooth them about a bit.

 

[OkieDougie]

right finish to highlight the grain and that will be stunning!
what i want to know is the name of the granite it is laying on? nice!

It's actually quartz. Built our home about 6 years ago and the wife wanted granite. I convinced her of the benefits of using quartz instead. Plethora of different color options to choose from since it is a man made mixture of ingredients. And never needs to be sealed.

 

[deerstalkert]

It's actually quartz. Built our home about 6 years ago and the wife wanted granite. I convinced her of the benefits of using quartz instead. Plethora of different color options to choose from since it is a man made mixture of ingredients. And never needs to be sealed.

very nice! i love the random pattern, but alas, the BOSS decides what we have in the kitchen. i have granite on my benches in the garage from a remodel and she has plain old dal tile on the counters!

 

[MSW]

nice looking wood!

 

[OkieDougie]

Increasing length of pull.
bit more work to do to fit this piece of oak on the end to increase LOP.
being 6’4” with long arms I have always found the renegade to short.
between the pad and the 1” oak it should be better.

 

[necchi]

The sharp edges around the lock, and other areas, always bothered me. Trying to smooth them about a bit.

Friend, my post was sarcasm.
What your doing by sanding down the lock panels/nose comb and adding length to the butt with non-compatible wood, covering that with leather and adding brass where iron should be has actually destroyed what was an original no longer manufactured T/C stock.

It's Ok, It's your gun, do what you like. But you have just reduced the re-sale value of the Renegade by 50% to anyone in the market for that style of T/C rifle.

Oh, p.s., nice job with the oak add-on,, the butt plate should fit nice, under the leather,,, be sure to use glue and at least 1 5/8" metal stud drywall screws.

https://www.muzzleloadingforum.com/threads/tc-hawken-stock-re-finish.143882/#post-2025594

 

[OkieDougie]

Friend, my post was sarcasm.
What your doing by sanding down the lock panels/nose comb and adding length to the butt with non-compatible wood, covering that with leather and adding brass where iron should be has actually destroyed what was an original no longer manufactured T/C stock.

It's Ok, It's your gun, do what you like. But you have just reduced the re-sale value of the Renegade by 50% to anyone in the market for that style of T/C rifle.

Oh, p.s., nice job with the oak add-on,, the butt plate should fit nice, under the leather,,, be sure to use glue and long drywall screws.

No worries. Picked this up 2nd hand almost 20 years ago. Walked into local gun/pawn shop looking for a black powder rifle, and this was the only one he had that wasn't a plastic stocked inline. Utlitarian tool to me is all it is. Has put much meat into my freezer. If I remember right, I paid $90 for it.

 

[necchi]

Has put much meat into my freezer. If I remember right, I paid $90 for it.

Oh that's so cool, I'm glad it made meat for you, that must have been very difficult with the bad fit and how terrible it looked.

Look man, I'm not doggin ya completely, (well maybe,,) but I can't give ya cud-do's just because ya join and begin showing photo's of a "re-furb" of what many here see as damage.
We have actually coached folks in ways to recover rifles that have been modified in the manner of what you are currently doing.
I don't speak for all, but it's been a traditional forum in aspects of some form of respect for the history,, and those T/C guns (American made) are no longer being built.
You have posted with pride in what your doing, I respect that.
But the destruction of that rifle stock as a vestige of American history saddens me.

 

[morehops52]

Oh that's so cool, I'm glad it made meat for you, that must have been very difficult with the bad fit and how terrible it looked.

Look man, I'm not doggin ya completely, (well maybe,,) but I can't give ya cud-do's just because ya join and begin showing photo's of a "re-furb" of what many here see as damage.
We have actually coached folks in ways to recover rifles that have been modified in the manner of what you are currently doing.
I don't speak for all, but it's been a traditional forum in aspects of some form of respect for the history,, and those T/C guns (American made) are no longer being built.
You have posted with pride in what your doing, I respect that.
But the destruction of that rifle stock as a vestige of American history saddens me.

Another way to look at it is when an original Shelby Cobra bites the dust, the remaining ones go up in value. Just saying....

 

[necchi]

bites the dust,

Your right.
But does "bites the dust" deserve the same reverence as willfully being destroyed before your very eyes?
Honestly, it is @OkieDougie 's choice to do with his rifle as he chooses. No-one else should tell him to change his choices, I'm not implying that,,
It is my humble opinion that what he is doing is a tragic loss born of an uninformed situation of the aspects occurring from his choices.
And that opinion is worth everything that was payed for it.
I wish @OkieDougie the best of luck if/when he makes his kibler kit gun purchase and build.
YMMV.

 

[morehops52]

Your right.
But does "bites the dust" deserve the same reverence as willfully being destroyed before your very eyes?
Honestly, it is @OkieDougie 's choice to do with his rifle as he chooses. No-one else should tell him to change his choices, I'm not implying that,,
It is my humble opinion that what he is doing is a tragic loss born of an uninformed situation of the aspects occurring from his choices.
And that opinion is worth everything that was payed for it.
I wish @OkieDougie the best of luck if/when he makes his kibler kit gun purchase and build.
YMMV.

There is a T/C Hawken posted around here that has had a good deal of work done to it as in reworking and refinishing the stock and adding/changing some hardware. Personally, I think he did a great job, something beyond my meager abilities. While I think it's a huge improvement over the original, that is one more original lost to posterity. I agree that a Renegade is a bit more rare. So my question is, and I want to be clear that I ask this informationally not challengingly, are both these owners providing a tragic loss by altering an original or is it the level of craftsmanship involved?

 

[necchi]

Uff, good question and understood as presented.
I 'm going to try to stand near my previous post,,
" tragic loss born of an uninformed situation of the aspects occurring,,,"
It's not so much as the abilities needed, or even craftsmanship required, as much as it is an understanding of the basic geometry of,,,
Does that make sense?
The needed wood support for components, the length of pull, drop in comb, angle of butt and much more are all included along with the color of and finish to the stock.
It doesn't take "ability" to purchase an assortment-pack of sandpaper and use it too "get all the old finish off" and make it ready for,,a "craftsman" to apply a new coating, does it??
These basic techniques, (along with the "how to") have been shared here by professional folks as well as those new on this forum for more than a decade,, it's free to look for.
I must apologize to you and the OP, I am much more prone to speak freely of my opinion than many others here,, and I have done so in this case.
Sorry,, No Cudos here.
I am sure, that when finished the OP will have a traditional cap lock rifle that fit's his personal preferences for that kind of rifle better than what he had.
It will shine, it will be the best, a huge improvement.
But it won't be a T/C Renegade anymore,, and that's Ok,,
After all it only cost $90,, and a kibler kit too quote is " In the end it is metal and wood. ",, no problem,,

 

[Eric Krewson]

I am curious as to why you didn't use a walnut stock extension? With a little grain orientation it would barely show as an alteration.

 

[bubba.50]

I am curious as to why you didn't use a walnut stock extension? With a little grain orientation it would barely show as an alteration.

Looks like he’s gonna cover it with that cuff anyway so, don’t guess it’d make much difference.

 

[OkieDougie]

I am curious as to why you didn't use a walnut stock extension? With a little grain orientation it would barely show as an alteration.

The leather pad lives on it, never comes off. For LOP increase more than recoil.
And I had oak on hand already. Sturdy hard wood. Function over form.