And for those that dont know how good/bad John shoots....he's most likely sandbagging on these..( holding back just a tad that is) :grin: Thank you John for showing us how it is done, lets see some others shoot a close to or better set of targets, me thinks we'll be waiting awhile. One pic is worth a 1000 words and John has shared a lot of hard learned tips with us , read and learn, you dont get this good talking about it, if he tells you try this you can bet the farm he has and many more ways to share what works with us . Thank you John. Fred :hatsoff: