Ruger Old Army

[M. De Land]

They can be changed of course but I've done work on a Walker with a Red Dot sight on it.
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Mike

Eeeeh Gad ! I thought my additions a bit eccentric on a Walker ! I gotta see the holster. It would take a whole steer! Mine will only require half a steer.

 

[M. De Land]

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Sufferin Sucatach !

 

[45D]

I don't diss his work, although I have him on ignore. The reason being is his insistence that the open top is a stronger design which is patently ridiculous. There are numerous examples in other fields where "C" shaped presses etc. are not as strong as "O" frames.

Reading skills !!!!!! I said the open-top platform is stronger than the REMINGTON!! Never said it was THE strongest platform !!! Geeeesh !!!
And, THEY'RE BOTH "O's". "Are you really that dense" ?!!! ()
( it's your buddy's fault!! I've been telling him to quit calling them "open frames" . . . you're confused I bet . . . )

Beef up the open top all you want, I like them but they will never do what a top strap will do.

Oh my goodness, back on page "7" I listed a bunch of revolvers that can't (aren't safe to) shoot 23K psi ammo ( Brian Pearce's list, not mine) , but my 1860's are OPEN TOPS and they CAN!!! NEVER SAY NEVER!!! ( that's really why you put me in the "boo box" isn't it?!!) Reading comprehension is a tuffy I know . . .
I know my Dragoons are a good bit bigger than the SAA (not to mention the Ruger New Vaquero's) but hey . . . they're OPEN TOPS and they eat 45C +p's like candy!!! Never say nev . . . !

Mike

 

[French Colonial]

According to Wiki, Richard Casul, gunsmith, developed wildcat cartridges for the 45Colt looking for 2,000 feet/sec. He, along with two other men, in 1958 developed the 454 Casul. Freedom Arms in 1983 introduced a five shot revolver for the round.

I really don't understand the bitterness expressed towards 45D - then again, people do tend to get attached to their pet theories, rather than truth and facts.

I have no animosity toward 45D and am sure he is a fine gunsmith working on open tops...lots of people praise his work.

I wish he would come down from his high horse and admit reality, that's all.

 

[Dude]

I wish he would come down from his high horse and admit reality, that's all.

 

[45D]

I wish he would come down from his high horse and admit reality, that's all.

Sir, what does - "these open top revolvers can shoot ammo on a regular basis that "this group (not just one revolver) of TOP STRAP revolvers" cannot" . . . have to with reality, other than to verify that in fact the Open-top platform can OUT PERFORM some top strap revolvers?
You can't have it both ways!!! (Talk about a "high horse"!!)

Mike

 

[nick_1]

the Remington was the first and opened the path for things to come. Of course it was not perfected. The modern Rugers are a different animal.

 

[45D]

the Remington was the first and opened the path for things to come. Of course it was not perfected. The modern Rugers are a different animal.

Remember, Colt had the Root revolver that predated the Remington. They shelved their open top . . .
Bottom line, the top strap is cheaper to produce which is why it is with us today.

Mike

 

[nick_1]

And the closed top allows for swing out cylinders and faster reloading ,better sights much more stable platform etc. Face reality. the open top colts are wicked cool but they were not the last word in revolver design. even the old Remington allows for fast cylinder switches. the only thing the open tops really have over the Rimingtons is style and Ballance. The Remington is a step in the modern direction. Better sights, fast cylinder switches, very few cap jams without modifications. the colts are beautiful and nostalgic and handle well. The whole conversation about which is better is silly. They both suck compared to a modern Redhawk or Black Hawk. I was shooting my old Security six .357 yesterday that I bought new 44 years ago. Its a great pistol and light years ahead of my Remington. I just can't afford modern cartridges.... and I really want a new .45LC blackhawk...

 

[Real1]

A 45 LC loaded hot will outperform a 44 mag no matter how the 44 is loaded. Use any measurement you like the 45 LC is the go-to cartridge for performance, at least against the 44.

It won't outperform the 44 mag. If you're gonna hot load a .45LC in a Ruger, then it's only fair to hot load the .44mag in comparison. I used to think the same for decades about the .45LC, but ballistically, it's not true. I even turned away some nice single actions because they were in .44 mag instead of .45LC. However, I'm still more partial to the .45LC....just because that's what I settled on in my youth with Rugers. If I had a Colt SA in .45LC, not sure I'd be hot-rodding that frame.

The next argument is bloodletting; the .45 cuts a bigger hole than the .44 mag. That's only a small incremental difference. Honestly, if I was being charged by a bear, I'd probably want the .44 mag in my hands over the .45LC. But that would depend on bullets too and shot placement......and don't forget the 'panic' factor.

If you want your argument to to have any validity, you would need to talk with a number of handgun hunters that go after dangerous game with the .45LC versus the .44mag. And certainly Elmer Keith if alive would favor the .44 mag. He could have enhanced the .45LC but instead pushed for the .44mag calibration.

Kevin

 

[45D]

And the closed top allows for swing out cylinders and faster reloading ,better sights much more stable platform etc. Face reality. the open top colts are wicked cool but they were not the last word in revolver design. even the old Remington allows for fast cylinder switches. the only thing the open tops really have over the Rimingtons is style and Ballance. The Remington is a step in the modern direction. Better sights, fast cylinder switches, very few cap jams without modifications. the colts are beautiful and nostalgic and handle well. The whole conversation about which is better is silly. They both suck compared to a modern Redhawk or Black Hawk. I was shooting my old Security six .357 yesterday that I bought new 44 years ago. Its a great pistol and light years ahead of my Remington. I just can't afford modern cartridges.... and I really want a new .45LC blackhawk...

Dang! Even when I agree with some of y'all . . .

Mike