russian flint locks

[big bore 75]

anyone have any idea? fatduchman ?, okawaho? I know that they were here and traded with indians any photographs. just wondering. bb75

 

[twobirds]

The Rifle Shoppe's catalog has some basic info on Russkie flintlocks and their use and trade in North America. Pictures, too.

 

[Mike Brooks]

Yes, they were here, but all west coast stuff. Pretty primative looking from what I've seen in the TRS cataloge. On the other hand, They were very up to date and copied the latest European fasion in the major cities like Moscow, Tula, etc.

 

[arilar]

Had a look at a Russian m.1789 made in Tula 1808 two years back. Can say that its quality didnt impresse me. Not the same high standard as Brittish and French from the same period. :imo: When it comes to Russian minie-rifle m.1858 its another story!!
ARILAR :: :thumbsup:

 

You might try e-mailing Steve Bookout. I seem to remember he had some pictures of a Russian Trade gun on his webpage a while back (http://www.midiowa.com/toadhallrifleshop/). He might still have the photos.--S

 

[Stophel]

If you're really interested in seeing some nice Russian guns, get the book "Fine arms from Tula". There is another book I have simply entitled "Antique Firearms". European and American guns in the Hermitage. Both were published in the Soviet Union. They are not hard to come across on the internet.

 

[big bore 75]

thanks guys I was just intersted in seeing the other side of the worlds guns I do have trs catalog and yes they are not somting to look at but as a history stand point they shouldn't be over looked, i wonder however of what uglies I have seen that if some pretty ones were built for the czar and the wealty. bb75

 

[benvenuto]

I've read that first one, it has some excellent photos.
Theres one in particular I liked, a 19th century copy of a 17th century snaphance gun with a german style rifle stock, and very heavy chiselling all over the lock and mother of pearl inlays I think.

I'm not really an expert, but the guns that got to fur traders were pretty primitive - like the danish and norwegian "peasent" guns - they still worked well enough to do the job. The lock was almost always a baltic snaplock, but I'm sure later on they were fitted with french flintlocks as well.

Guns made for well-to-do shooters intially had a german style stock, but with the butt extended to the shoulder and dutch influenced snaphaunce locks. Decoration ranged from bone and mother-of-pearl inlays to over the top gold and chiselling all over.

Later on french influence became dominant in locks, stocks and decoration. Wender or turn over guns were popular as well.

 

The typical russian snaplock was used on very fine rifles as well. These were cheek stock guns with a distinct slender design. Sometimes also copied dutch style snaplocks were used on this style in the late period. I would say that the style of later flint lock guns was copied from western europe without much russian peculiarity. But it seems that at the same the european baroque style was predominant on all guns (fine as well as martial) in western russia, the typical russian stock & lock design survived quite a long time in the peripheral regions in the east were it was used on the plain hunting guns.

 

Just remembered I have a close-up of a medium ornate russian style snaplock

 

[arilar]

Besides "The Hermitage, Leningrad. Fine Arms from Tula" (Aurora Art Publisher) you find from same publisher "Russian Arms and Armours" (from Armoury Kremlin and Historical museum, Moscow) interesting. Also "Master-pieces of Tula Gun-Makers" (Planeta Publishers Moscow) is a "pearl" in your library!
ARILAR :: :thumbsup:

 

[benvenuto]

I just found some too...

that 19th century repro of a 17th century gun i mentioned

full length view

half stock gun with a madrid style stock (Fat Dutchman has a similar german made one I think)

Wender gun, again with Madrid stock

 

[BorisM]

Better late than never
Here's Russian-style snaplock ca mid-17th c. from the armory of Solovki monastery.
http://www.petrobrigada.ru/peter/arm/weapons/russky2.jpg

 

[Musketeer]

Welcome to the Forum, Boris. :thumbsup: I'm glad you posted. I missed this thread before. Interesting stuff. :hatsoff:

 

[Kirill]

Do You read that?

I have that book as Adobe document (pdf). I can put it in ftp server for You if You are interesting in.

 

[Musketeer]

Do You read that? I have that book as Adobe document (pdf). I can put it in ftp server for You if You are interesting in.

Welcome to you as well, Kirill. No, I haven't seen that book, but I would like to. :thumbsup:

 

[Kirill]

Well, You can download that book here

It`s rapidshare, You should go to the end of the list, click button "free" than go to the end ot that new list, enter the code and start downloading. That link will be alive for 30 days. File about 30 Mb.
I`m wayting for Your result.
:hatsoff:

 

[arilar]

Better late than never
Here's Russian-style snaplock ca mid-17th c. from the armory of Solovki monastery.
http://www.petrobrigada.ru/peter/arm/weapons/russky2.jpg

Hi Boris,
I like your petrobrigada-site! :bow: Fun to find also Sergey:s site. He has made some nice uniforms-jackets for us :grin:
ARILAR :grin: :thumbsup:

 

[arilar]

Kirill,
Didnt manage to download the book but I am not that good ín using internet . Seemed that 3 persons had done it before me though!
Thanks for info about "Russian Pistols". I have ordered it from an antiquariat instead :v
Regards,
ARILAR :grin: :thumbsup:

 

[Musketeer]

Kirill,
Didnt manage to download the book but I am not that good ín using internet . Seemed that 3 persons had done it before me though!

I am one of those 3. :winking: :grin: Now I just have to print it out (I hate reading books on the computer) and start reading. Looks very interesting. :thumbsup:

P.S. Thank you, Kirill. :hatsoff: