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miked35

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What is the best way to clean surface rust from the bore?

Although my new rifle appears to have been cleaned and oiled, there is messy, oily surface rust in the bore. So far I have used alchohol and Shenandoah Valley Lube and lots of patches. It is much, much cleaner and smoother feeling, but patches still come out a bit orange. Many years ago I used a brass bore brush in a center fire. Never like them so I'd rather not do that again.


Thanks,
Mike
 
The rust you find in bores normally is " Flash Rust", that comes about from using TOO HOT water when cleaning, and then forgetting to put an oiled patch down the barrel quickly enough. Or leaving the gun sit in a damp location, where the oils dry out, and the metal oxidizes.

Use a bore brush- they are bronze, not brass-- and you can find brushes that are made with synthetic bristles, but not for all ML bore sizes---- with some fine (OOOO) steel wool on it. The steel wool has an oil in it, but use the steel wool to simply remove the surface rust from the bore.

Follow it with an alcohol flush. Pour some alcohol down the barrel, after plugging the vent hole, or nipple hole, and then putting your thumb over the muzzle. Shake the barrel back and forth, like you are making a mixed drink at the bar. Then, pour the alcohol and crud out of the barrel. Then run a few patches down to get the rest of the crud, and help the alcohol dry faster.

Now-- and this is the most important step-- use an oiled patch to lubricate the now-bare metal of the bore. WD40, Ballistol, olive oil, Jojoba oil, and any number of oils extracted( rendered) from the fat of animals, like deer, bear, groundhog, raccoon, etc. work as lubricants, that will also displace water from the surface of the metal.

Of course, as the alcohol in the barrel evaporates, it will take with it any remaining drops of water. Your choice of oils then for lubricating the barrel for storage, or for field use can take in other concerns than water displacement.

Testing done here shows that Ballistol works well to protect steel over long storage periods, but the best product mentioned so far is the Birchwood Casey " SHEATH". There are also some synthetic oils out there that do very well in extreme Climate conditions.

The main idea to remember about any storage oils or grease is that THEY HAVE TO BE REMOVED FROM THE GUN BEFORE TAKING IT OUT TO SHOOT AGAIN.

Use alcohol as a solvent to clean(flush) the stuff out of the barrel, flash channel, vent, or nipple. Then, put just a very light coat of oil in the bore to protect it from rusting during transportation from you home to the range/field.

At the Range/field, remove the oil with a dry cleaning patch or two. Either use a pipe cleaner to clean the oil out of your flash channel, or consider firing 4-5 caps off on you percussion action, and then wiping the bore with a cleaning patch to clean out that residue, before putting a powder charge down the barrel. If you shoot a percussion gun with a "Powder chamber" you will need a reduced size cleaning jag that allows you to get down into that chamber and wipe it clean, too.

These last steps are what most shooters DON'T DO, and is what causes them problems shooting black powder at the range, or in the field.

If its going to be a long sit in a treestand when hunting, you might consider running an oiled cleaning patch down the barrel AFTER YOU SEAT your PRB, or conical on the powder. This protects the bore from rusting in the field. I use Wonderlube, just because it "sticks" better, with the beeswax in it, but any kind of oil is better than none at all.

If its raining or foggy, or misty when you go out into the woods, its particularly important to protect the metal parts by wiping them with a greasey( waxy) cleaning patch- not enough to be sticky, but enough to give the metal that waxy feeling, and to bead water dropped on the metal. If water beads on the outside of the barrel as the result of whatever you wipe the barrel with, you can be assure that it will also not reach the metal inside the bore, provided you wipe the bore with the same stuff, too.
 
My favorite rust remover product is "RustBuster" by LACO co. It comes in a plastic bottle just like ZoomLube oil. Take patches of wet RustBuster and wet the bore good with the stuff, then go to town with a bore brush and repeat the process till you get clean patches out of the barrel. Then take a light and see if you have rifleing left or moon craters.
 
justlearning said:
Many years ago I used a brass bore brush in a center fire. Never like them so I'd rather not do that again.


Thanks,
Mike

I hate to tell you but you need a brass bore brush. If that alone doesn't break up the rust wrap the brush with 0000 steel wool. Use a good dose of WD-40 in the bore while scrubbing it.

HD
 
10 gauge said:
Then take a light and see if you have rifleing left or moon craters.

Nope, no craters. Had a light down the barrel, can't even see the surface rust, just patches coming out orange.

Mike
 
I would clean the bore again and this time use JB's bore paste. It will take several times to get the "flash rust" out of the barrels. After you clean the rust out then clean the barrel with dish soap and cool water to get out the JB's. I like to use compressed air to clear the water out of the breech plug. Swab with a dry patch to get the rest of the moisture out and follow up with a good brand of gun oil like Remoil. Ron
 
I wouldn't sweat the little bit of color your getting out of you barrel. A little WD40 and 0000 steel wool should work to get the bad stuff out. Over years of shooting your going to get some rust . Don't drive yourself crazy clean the best way you can and give it a good oiling and put it away. Come back every so often and run another patch down the barrel and oil it again. If you worry about rust your never going to fully enjoy shooting blackpowder. The rust thing will always be in the back of you mind. :v
 
justlearning said:
What is the best way to clean surface rust from the bore?

Although my new rifle appears to have been cleaned and oiled, there is messy, oily surface rust in the bore. So far I have used alchohol and Shenandoah Valley Lube and lots of patches. It is much, much cleaner and smoother feeling, but patches still come out a bit orange. Many years ago I used a brass bore brush in a center fire. Never like them so I'd rather not do that again.


Thanks,
Mike


What powder are you shooting?
Some of the "replica" powders produce very aggressive fouling and will rust under an oil film. They can pit a bore with no real rust being evident in some situations.
These require a lot of hot water as a flush to wash out the corrosive elements.

Dan
 
Many previous posts have mentioned the practice of twisting the rod when it bottomed out with a brass brush, which allows the bristles to shorten up and begin to come back out somewhat easier than tryin to just pull back the rod. Good smoke, Ron in Fl
 
A lot of people regard WD-40 as oil and something to use for long term protection of metal. It's not. It's a light solvent and needs to be rinsed off and a good oil applied. In another life time when we did turbine overhauls we used WD-40 to spray turbins flanges and other parts that we had "stoned" flat at the end of the day to keep them from rusting over the weekend or evening. For that it worked very well but the WD-40 would "cook down or dry out" in the heat and leave a sticky residue which we would wash off with solvent. Also years ago two IL. state troupers had the habit of spraying out their side arms with that stuff and then whipe them down thinking that was cleaning them. They were found with guns that were full of varnish and lint. A very sad ending that was avoidable. A good gun oil or one of the new sprays works better. Just my opinion but I will not use it. AR
 
Arkansas said:
A lot of people regard WD-40 as oil and something to use for long term protection of metal. It's not. It's a light solvent and needs to be rinsed off and a good oil applied. In another life time when we did turbine overhauls we used WD-40 to spray turbins flanges and other parts that we had "stoned" flat at the end of the day to keep them from rusting over the weekend or evening. For that it worked very well but the WD-40 would "cook down or dry out" in the heat and leave a sticky residue which we would wash off with solvent.

Arky,,,
I have a link somewhere to tests done comparing WD40 to some of the newer "gun Specific" rust inhibitors.... May have saved it as a PDF and will look for it or a link later.... The gist of it is that WD40 whupped 'em all hands down... I can't see usuing anything else day to day... longer term is a whole 'nuther ball 'o wax... and can depend on what you call long term.

Yes, it is a well known fact that WD40 can leave a gumby residue when it dries ~ and some use that to their advantage - ON THE OUTSIDE of the their gun. I see no issue puuting it into a bore for storage as it will get solvent and patches run through it before the next use anyway.... There are much better things to put onto trigger groups for lube and protection so to me that's a non issue. But then again, I was taught care and husbandry of our families' firearms by my dad 30 some years ago and have supplemented that knowledge over the years as I became involved in various competative shooting disciplines...

That said, every newbie - even if it's just to this type\style of gun - should take the time to research and learn the proper care for them as it does differ somewhat type to type.
 

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