Saf-T Unloader CO2

[tradewind]

The Saf-T Unloader is a remarkable invention and much easier than using the rod/screw method when removing a lead ball; however, the CO2 replacement cartridge is expensive.

It's 1/2 or 1/3 the cost to purchase a Crosman or Daisy CO2 cartridge than using pure "restaurant grade" CO2; however, Saf-T Unloader recommends cartridges that contains NO oil. The Crosman and Daisy cartridges contains oil.

My question is: What is the experience of anyone who has used the Saf-T Unloader with CO2 that contains oil (cheaper ones). Has it damaged your rifle in any way? Is there a big difference in using pure "restaurant grade" CO2?

 

[d.thomson]

I have found that the co2 container is smaller. I had to put some paper towel in the bottom to keep them from leaking. The original is 15 oz while the ones for crossman are only 12 oz. can you get 15 oz crossman? as for problems with oil clean the gun before shooting again use brake cleaner shouldn't be a problem. F.K.

 

[silverfox]

Just my thoughts on this. The oil in the cartriges will not harm your barrel. You should clean the barrel after you use it and this will remove any oil it might have contained. Now the oil in your saf-t charger could be a different animal. Depending on the seal used in the charger the oil might swell or dry your seals either way makeing the charger unuseable Most oils and high pressure seals don't get along.
I agree the cost of the cartriges is high but the convience and speed is well worth it.
Fox :hatsoff:

 

[MikeC]

I bought a box of cartridges from cabelas don't know if they contain oil and frankly don't care. For all I use them the one box should last a looooong time. If your going through cartridges you need to evaluate what is really wrong.

 

[Forster]

I have a CO2 ball discharger from Cabelas and yes I have used it on more that one ocation. I have never had a problem using CO2 cartridges ment for air guns [like the crossman] Keep in mind these air guns all have seals and companys like crossman design these cartridges to work with these guns. Even if there is some kind of oil in them it's content would be next to nothing.
The price of a CO2 cartridge less than a buck. Being able to remove a ball after dry-balling without everyone on the line knowing [and watching] "priceless".....JJ

 

[Zonie]

I have to agree with silverfox.
The companies that build air rifles and sell cartridges with oil in them design their seals to be resistant to those oils by using special materials.

I really don't know what the makers of Saf-T Unloader uses for it's internal seals but if they are made from silicone rubber they will not tolerate oils of any kind.

For as often as a person uses one of these, why skimp and risk ruining your device?
zonie

 

[john12865]

I'm just curious on why I should try one of these things. What is the advantage? Do you guy's just dry ball that much? Less embarrassment? I'm being serious. What is the advantage of one of these.

 

[bucktales]

Mainly two reasons for me. First, the closest public range is a pay to shoot deal. If I have one in the pipe and the buzzer goes off, I'm done, unless I pay for an additional hour.
Second, and the main reason, I hunt small to medium private land parcels for deer in my area. If I'm all done for a few days or if I want to change a charge after hunting in bad weather, I'd rather discharge at home rather than letting one rip in an area I plan on returning to.

 

[Stony]

Well John, I'm a range officer at my local BP range. As such, I'm expected to lend a helping hand when someone dry balls their gun. Only takes a few tug-of-wars and then you wonder why you or the club didn't go buy a co2 discharger. I've bought two, one for me and one for the club. Now life is easier and more enjoyable :rotf:

 

[shmrck1]

tradewind,
I have had one for a few years now and
although I have not used it a lot I have never had a problem with seals, etc. I bought my cartriges when I odered the discharger. They were on the same page as the discharger so I assumed
that is what I was supposed to use. Anyhow no
problems.
snake-eyes :hatsoff:

 

[MikeC]

John...Once you HAVE to use one you'll see why they are handy. Quick, clean and safe. Plus what are you going to do if you get a ramrod stuck. Guy had one stuck at the range and was in a panic as to what to do now. I got his rod out no harm to the gun or rod in a few seconds.

 

[2172]

Amen, Dave....I use about 10 Daisy CO2 cartridges a year, one for me every two years or so, the rest for club members...I was at a shoot at another club, and the guy with whom I shared the bench had me use three cartridges for him...2 for a rifle with a defective lock that he was convinced was OK, and one for the replacement rifle when he got rattled enough to dry load...Hank I've finally announced that I'm charging a buck for each use of my discharger...

 

[tradewind]

Hank,
How many years have you had your unloader? Has using Daisy CO2 caused any problems for the unloader (like advanced wear and tear on the seals)? I'm just trying to figure out if using CO2 that contains oil will cause damage to the unloader.
Tradewind

 

[spudnut]

Check those resturant chargers closly.A lot of them are Nitrous oxcide or laughing gas which is an excelerent when introduced to spark or flame.Ever see how they work in an internal combustion engine? :nono: ....Mark

 

[Forster]

Up until this post I didn't know that there was oil in a CO2 cartridge..... I can't speak for the Saf-T unloader.... but the one I bought from Cabelas calls for the use of a "Standard" 12 gram CO2 cartridge. I just went to their web site an checked. Jim

 

[tradewind]

There are differences in CO2 cartridges. Cartridges manufactured by Daisy or Crosman are made to be used in airguns. They have a small amount of oil in them to lubricate the airgun barrel. CO2 made by Innovations, the manufacturer of the Saf-T Unloader, does not contain oil and is specifically made for the Unloader and CO2 Bicycle Pumps. According to Innovations, oil may affect the seals in the Saf-T Unloader. The big difference is that Daisy and Crosman CO2 are way cheaper than Innovations CO2. I don't think the oil will affect the Unloader's seals on the short term but you can never tell what will happen long term.

 

[Joel Lehman]

I buy the small CO2 cartridges from a local liquor store. They are cheaper that other stores and work well in my old TC ball discharger.

 

[Zonie]

:hmm:
I bet there isn't any oil in those liquor store cartridges. That could make a drink you'd never forget! :rotf:
zonie