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Smoke Pole

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I just bought an 1859 Sharps, paper cartridge carbine and cannot find a supplier of Sharps bullet molds in .58 caliber, nitrated paper, or potassium nitrate. Does anyone know where these items can be purchased. Thank you.

Smoke Pole
 
Speak of the Devil.....
Just this morning during my "morning read" I was reading the latest issue (January 2004) of "THE SINGLE SHOT EXCHANGE" magazine and the subject I was reading about is the Precussion Sharps Rifle on page 16. (This is my third favorate magazine after MuzzleBlasts and MuzzleLoader).
Write or call Col Brett M.C.Boyd at 803-628-5326 or E-Mail them at [email protected] and see if they will send you a copy for the cover price of $3.00 plus postage.
Now to some of your question: edit(The article does not talk about .58 caliber guns but if yours is indeed a .58, I would call Dixie)
It depends on your bore size. Nick Florios (the articles author) says his Pedersoli bore is .520 with .540 grooves, but Armisport (IAB) has a .540 bore with .550 grooves so you see the answer isn't simple. If you have the Pedersoli he says the Rapine 546475 he got from Dixie works well but it keyholes in his Armisport. The bullet also depends on whether you want to make paper cartridges and which type of paper cartridge you want to make. (He describes two kinds). (You can also muzzle-load it but there are some things you need to know about doing that too.) He also gets into the necessary lubrication (Copper Never Seize) you need to use on the chamber sleeve to prevent excess gas from blowing out of the breech during firing. Nick also points out that all of his Sharps chamber sleeves are stuck when the gun is new. If you don't have a movable chamber sleeve: Pow: Black Face just like Wiley Coyote!! (my words, not his)
The article goes on to say you need to use CCI or RWS hot musket caps because of the torturous path the flame has to follow.
I could go on but there is too much to tell here. It would be best to just say Contact the Colonal (Col Boyd that is) at SingleShot Exchange and get the Jan issue.
 
I have owned the same rifle for 11 years and I obtained all the reloading materials through Dixie Gun Works. The hard part was working out the 'template' for the flash paper. I also made what looks like a short starter with a protrusion on the end to fit up inside the bullet for loading purposes. My rifle holds about a 2 1/2 " group at 100 yards.

Once I made a ramrod with an antler handle that seated a patched lead ball right in front of the chamber just as the handle touched the muzzle. The load was about 90 grains and the accuracy was terrible. I went back to my regular load.

Voyageur
 
As kind of a follow on, my Dixie catalog is showing a Rapine mold # .544475 at $79.95 and # .548415 at $89.95. The first three digits is the bullet diameter and the last three digits (I think)is the bullet weight.
Dixie says the powder charge is 50-60 grains FFg (depending on which brand of gun your looking at).
(edit): Concerning the nitrated paper: Potassium Nitrate can often be found at the local drug store under its more common name "Salt Peter". If you can't find it, ask the druggest.
To make your nitrated paper use 100% cotton bond paper. Using just enough water to cover the paper in a pan.
Mix in the salt peter until you can't desolve any more of it. (supersaturated solution).
Place the paper in the solution and let it soak for 10-15 minutes. Steal (I mean borrow) your wifes cake cooling rack or something like it that just contacts the paper in little local places and place the wet paper on it until it is dry. (If you lay the paper on a towel or a bench, it will lose a lot of the solution and you don't want that).
Your done!

Good luck!
 
Smokepole: I edited my last post and then got to thinking maybe you wouldn't notice the change. I was going to E Mail you but that is not an option you have turned on in your "profile" so here a version of the edit:

MAKIN' NITRITED PAPER FOR PAPER CARTRIDGES:
You should be able to buy Salt Peter (Potassium Nitrate) at your local drug store. It is usually by the home remedy stuff like Epson Salts and Boric Acid.

Buy some 100% cotton bond paper. You can use it in your computer printer and make cartridges out of it.

Put enough water in a glass pan to cover the paper and mix in the salt peter until you can't desolve any more of it. (supersaturated solution).
Place the paper in the solution and let it soak for 10-15 minutes.
Steal (I mean borrow) your wifes cake or cookie cooling rack (one of those bent wire things) or something like it that just contacts the paper in little local places and place the wet paper on it until it is dry. (If you lay the paper on a towel or a bench, it will lose a lot of the solution and you don't want that). When it's dry keep it in a safe place. It is VERY combustible.
Your done!
 
Hi back to zonie and Voyageur, Apparently I suffered a brain fart in my first post. I was fortunate enough to bring home two rifles the same day, the 1861 Springfield is a .58 caliber whereas the Sharps is a .54 caliber. I did shoot it by pushing a Thompson Center Maxi Ball into the chamber and filling it with FF. The first thing I found out is it doesn't always fire so I took a .22 case full of FFFFg and poured in the nipple which got it to go most of the time. The second thing I discovered is you can sustain a serious burn on your arm when the floating chamber sleeve is stuck, which it was, and it will also burn away part of your forend where it meets the receiver. I think Taylor & Co has a mold for the Sharps bullet with a tail to tie the paper cartridge to. If they do, I will post it with an address and a price. After the holiday I will check with my local drug store to see if I can get salt peter and also the January issue of Single Shot Exchange. I went to Dixie Gun Works website and you cannot order a catalog from them, you must get one from one of their distributors. Happy Holidays to all.
 
I dunno Smoke Pole...the first bags of flash paper I bought from Dixie. The last was from Shiloh Rifle Mfg. Co. 201 Centennial Drive, P.O. Box 279, Big Timber, Montana 59011...kept me from having to make the nitrated paper. I can truthfully say that I've never had a missfire with the flash paper.

Now, I'm not sure, but I think you can get something similar at a magic store unless the government has passed a reugulation or something. The bags from Shiloh each came with directions for 'rolling' the paper cartridges. I made up a board with all the markings on it and I use Duco Cement for the edges since it's so flammable. I found a wood dowel that just fits into the chamber and roll the flash paper around that. I haven't had to make up any for awhile but I believe the charge is around 60 grains. It's pretty easy assembly once you get the measurements laid out.

I make my own lube 50/50 pure beeswax and peanut oil. Like I said before, the accuracy is just under 2 1/2" groups at 100 yards.

Voyageur
 
Hi Voyageur,
Thanks a bunch for the info, I need to find someone in my area that can order me a Dixie catalog as they do not show the paper on their website. If I can shoot 3 inch groups with this rifle, I would be happier than the coyote when he finally gets the roadrunner. My Sharps is the Cavalry model with the 22 inch barrel which makes for a very short sight radius and my first attempts print 12 inches high at 25 yards, so I think I need to do something with the sights. What barrel length do you have, that you can shoot such good groups ? By the way, mine was made by Armisport.
 
Hey zonie,
For some reason, I can't make the envelope appear for e-mails, no matter what radio button I click on. My e-mail address is: [email protected].

Hopefully, I can figure this out, do you have a clue what buttons should be presented ? ? ?
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Thank you.
Best regards,
 
My Sharps is a Sile with a 28" barrel. It had the low rear sight and was too fine for my old eyes. I refuse to wear glasses when I hunt so I make rear sights to fit my needs.

On the Sharps I pulled the rear sight, used a Dremel to cut off the blade and did the same to a buckhorn muzzleloader sight. I then silver soldered the buckhorn to the Sharps ladder sight and, hey presto, a sporting rear sight that I can see.

When I put sights on the muzzleloaders or black powder cartridge rifles that I make, I select the rear sight and then take it out to the range with a front sight made of masking tape. I then just cut the tape until I get the right elevation, measure it with a vernier caliper and install the correct front sight with no filing involved.

I like making front sights out of different coins. My favorite is using a Dremel to cut out the 'beaver' on a Canadian nickel and solder it to a steel or brass base that I make on my mill. Looks pretty spiffy and gets the attention of my friends.

Voyageur
 
Hi Voyageur,
What a novel way to make a sight, I shall have to try this. I doubt that I can expect that level of accuracy from my Sharps in it's present condition. It's really gut wrenching to take a hack saw to a new rifle, but so be it. My long range plans for this gun is a hybrid of sorts. I always wanted a slug gun in .45 caliber and Green Mountain offers a barrel 1-1/8 across the flats, 34 inches long which I intend to machine up to fit this receiver and fit it with my favorite sights which is the old TC rear that is flat across the top and I think I will use the coin for the front. I also build high walls from billet, so this should be a simple chore. I am not sure how the moderator of this sight reacts to straying off topic which I feel I have done, so please feel free to e-mail me so as not to corrupt the thread which I am guilty of.
 
Smoke Pole,

Dixie sells a "Sharps Combustible Cartridge Kit" PN KA0700 for $35.00. The papers alone are PN KA0710, $19.95. They also sell bullets.

I understand that there are two typical bullet sizes, as was mentioned earlier. The least expensive commercial suppllier is Dixie. I have a contact for a person who casts and sells both sizes.

I am sure you have already discovered that there are two distinct schools of thought on making the paper cartridges, pigtail and cylinder. The pigtail type assumes that you make it long and the breech cuts of the end as it closes. This exposes loose powder to the cap flame. The cylinder type more closely resembles a normal cartridge and the the fire must burn through the paper on the end. I personally like the cylinder type.

I was happy with the kit from Dixie for the rolling dowel alone. I find that I can cut each paper from the kit in two to give me the perfect size paper to make 2 cartidges, I put in 60 grains of powder. 60 grains of GoEx FFg created the "bleeding barrel" effect I saw described in another thread. I am debating on trying 60 grains of FFFg to see the effect. The manual for my 1863 IAB claims the max load is 80 grains FFg.

I make my cartridges by rolling the paper on the rod using the glue stick included in the kit. After they dry, I cut 1" square pieces of paper from papers used to roll womens hair when they do permanents. Perm papers. They are inexpensive and strong for the bottoms. The next step is a bit tricky. You take your forming rod and put the perm paper on the end, wrapping the ends up around it. You then carefully insert the end into your formed roll. This is a bit tricky to get started, but works exceptionally well. Once you have it inserted, you push it down to about 1/4 inch from the bottom, place a bit more of your glue around the inside edge and then push the rod to the end. Make sure you have glue around the entire bottom edge. Roll the rod on something hard to make a good seal and let it dry. Once dry, you can then finish the cartridge. I used some Cabelas lube for the bullet as it dries solid and melted it. I dipped the bullets in the melted lube, let them dry and wiped away the excess. I then added powder and the bullet. I put a small bit of glue on the top ring of the bullet to hold it in place.

Before firing, I noted that my nipple was significantly narrower than the channel in the breech block. If I recall correctly a 5/32 bit fit in nicely, so I drilled out my nipple with the 5/32 bit. I used CCI magnum musket caps and have yet to have it fail to fire. Once the nitrated papers are gone, I will try other paper to see if I like them. Since my ignition paper is not nitrated and has yet to fail to fire, the only possible benefit I see to them are less residue in the chamber.

I have used the bullets (I have heard them described as "christmas tree" shaped) from Dixie and also I have used a 425 grain .54 Plains bullet. I have yet to really test for accuracy. I bought my weapon used and has a horrific gas leak at the check plate. I can only fire about 10 rounds before it is almost impossible to open the breech. I am about to ship it to Sam Dobbins to have him do his well regarded modification for fixing this.

If you want to discuss a variety of things about the Sharps repro, feel free to send me an e-mail [email protected].
 
Cigarette Paper ?
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The tube style appeals to me the most, I did find SaltPetre at the drug store and bought their last bottle and asked them to order some more. Would cigarette paper work for the ends or perhaps for the whole cartridge. Has anyone tried this and if so, did you treat it or just use it plain.

I cannot find a local merchant to get me a Navy Arms catalog and Navy Arms will not sell them from their website, they say you need to order it through one of their distributors. Is anyone out there a distributor who can sell me one?

Thanks to everyone for all their input.
 
Cigarette roling papers, not normally used for cigarettes any more. Most use the double papers.

Those that use it use it for the whole cartridge. Most that I speak with do not bother with nitrated paper. Also suggested (and used) is airmail paper. Some speak of going way authentic and try using linen, but that seems a bit too extreme for me.

Most people use their paper for both the tube and ends, others use the pig tail method and don't have to worry about an end paper.
 
Kevin said:
I find that I can cut each paper from the kit in two to give me the perfect size paper to make 2 cartidges, I put in 60 grains of powder. 60 grains of GoEx FFg created the "bleeding barrel" effect I saw described in another thread. I am debating on trying 60 grains of FFFg to see the effect. The manual for my 1863 IAB claims the max load is 80 grains FFg.
Bringing the dead back to life! :grin:

"Bleeding barrel effect"? What is that, I can't find it using the search. Looking to pick up a Sharps carbine within the next couple of weeks and I'm curious what's meant.

Thanks!
 
Inxompletely burned sulfur often leaves a reddish almost plastice residue at the muzzle of the barrel. This is sometimes referred to as " bleeding". Its easily removed with a damp patch, BTW. It occurs when the relative humidity is very low( cold weather usually accompanies low humidity in the East.)

If you use an OP wad, or a filler, to raise the pressure and temperature in the breech when the powder burns, it will usually eliminate the problem.
 
Smoke Pole said:
I just bought an 1859 Sharps, paper cartridge carbine and cannot find a supplier of Sharps bullet molds in .58 caliber, nitrated paper, or potassium nitrate. Does anyone know where these items can be purchased. Thank you.

Smoke Pole

My local drug store sell potassium nitrate (saltpeter) over the counter, perhaps your's does too...
 
-----for the paper I used tissue paper that clothing stores put in the box with your shirts-----just cut to size roll your loads and use---no paper treatment needed-----
 
I had a percussion Sharps back in the 1970s which I later converted to 45-70.

I still have the .54 Lyman mould. The tail of course is for tying on the paper cartridge.


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