Soldering barrel lugs and sight, success!

[dave_person]

Hi,
The liquid will work but the paste will stay where you put it.

dave

 

[bptactical]

One tip trick for tinning parts, especially the barrel. Dry clamp your part in place on the barrel and draw a line around it with soap stone (found in the welding section anywhere that sells welding stuff).

Then once you have your line drawn around your part, color the barrel with the soap stone right up to your line and make sure you go all the way around the barrel. Go out to the sides about an inch from your part is enough.

Why the soap stone?

Because solder won't stick to it under any circumstances and clean up is much quicker.

Nothing more aggravating that cleaning solder runs and drips off the part of the barrel that you want to blue or brown. Using the soap stone trick the only place that will tin up is the place where the part sits.

If you don’t have soapstone standard pencil lead will do the same.
You can also use milk of magnesia- just paint it on and allow it to dry fully first.

 

[WALT53]

Hi,
The liquid will work but the paste will stay where you put it.

dave

Dave I have a few questions ,what wire do you use to hold your lug on and what do you use for a heat source.thankyou.

 

[dave_person]

Hi Walt,
I use very thin steel wire. I don't know the gauge but it is about as thin as the wire you encounter in twist ties. Thin copper wire would also work because the solder flows at about 470 degrees so you won't burn up the wire. I usually use a Mapp gas or propane torch.

dave

 

[Noeyebrows]

Hi,
Nice job. I don't tin the lugs and barrel. I sweat the solder under the base. I simply clean the joints with acetone, flux the barrel and lug, hold the lug in place with wire, and tilt the barrel over a bit to the side so gravity helps the flow of the solder. Then I lay a piece of solder on the top edge of the base and heat from below, drawing the solder toward the heat. Clean-up is easy.

dave

Awesome! Great tip. Thanks Dave

 

[Mike in FL]

Lots of amazing talent/knowledge/skill here, probably more than anywhere else.

 

[James Kibler]

We solder a lot of underlugs and sights on our fowler barrels. First, soft solder is more than strong enough. We've experimented with a lot of different solders and have found a past 60/40 lead tin solder with a strong acid flux to be best. Here is the product we use:

SSE-360-851 Solder Paste
SRA Solder Products

No need to tin parts. Apply paste, position together and heat.

Jim

 

[hawkenhunter50]

Good info here, thanks for sharing.

 

[BJHabermehl]

I’m building a Chambers New England Fowler in 10ga and I wanted to share my experience with soldering the barrel lugs and front sight. I am new to building guns and had very little experience with soldering, so it took me quite a while to piece together the information from related posts and to learn the terminology related to these soldering jobs. I am by no means an expert, more like barely competent, but I learned a lot. Hopefully this will help other new builders along the way.

My first task was determining what kind of solder to use. I read a lot about “silver” solder but it was a little confusing figuring out what that meant. The consensus seems to be that this means low temp silver bearing solder as opposed to wire used for high temp silver brazing. I picked up some Harris Stay-Brite solder which is 94% tin and 6% silver which melts at 430 deg F. The set I bought on amazon came with a liquid flux that I found to be difficult to work with (will discuss later).

I started by preparing the round steel barrel lugs by cleaning up the casting blemishes with a file. Then I sanded the bottom of the lugs by wrapping sand paper around the barrel in the general location of the lug and sanding the bottom of the lug so that it will conform to the same radius of the barrel. I think I used 150 and 220 grit paper. Next I sanded the barrel with 220 grit where the lug was to go. There are good topics you can easily search here on how to mark center lines on a round barrel.

My next task was to “tin” the lug and barrel separately with a thin coat of solder. Being a newbie, I had no idea what “tinning” meant. It is simply applying a thin layer of solder to each surface (easier said than done!) this video helped a lot on youtube: I found that the liquid flux I was using would turn brown and burn at nearly the exact temperature that the solder would melt, resulting in a poorly and unevenly tinned surface. I had to approach the melting temp very carefully by feathering the propane flame around the area and checking the solder for melting frequently. It is important to try and NOT heat the area you intend to solder with direct flame. I want to mention that I first held my lug to be tinned in a c-clamp and vise. It seemed like the clamp was acting as a heat sink and drawing heat from the lug, cooling it before it could be tinned. I switched to some small hemostat clips (locking forceps) for holding the lugs and had much better luck.

After parts are tinned, you want to add a bit more flux and clamp your lug to the barrel. I used a bent piece of hack saw blade that I notched on the end that holds the lug and clamped it to the barrel with spring clamps. I had to heat the hack saw blade red hot to get it to bend without breaking.
Heat the 2 parts with indirect heat until they fuse together and you see melted solder around the lug. Use a wet shop rag and clean up the flux while the part is still hot or it will be hard to remove later.

For the front sight, I used basically the same process, only this time I tried a flux paste recommended by muzzleloader builders supply website. It’s called Rectorseal C-Flux. It has some powdered solder in the mix. This seemed to have a much higher burning temp and resulted in a beautifully tinned surface. 100% easier than the liquid flux. I might also mention that I used MAP gas instead of propane, which got the parts up to temp quickly. Everything was cleaned up with the file to finish.

I’m sure this post seems very elementary for the experienced builders, but I thought it could help the new folks like me. I’m curious to hear any suggestions or different ways you all do it.
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Nice job. I normally use modern plumbing solder 95/5 tin silver solder. Any hardware store has it, and paste solder flux. Same stuff as used for plumbing. All surfaces must be freshly filed and not be fingerprinted. Simply flux and clamp, heat slowly from the opposite side until the solder flows. The solder will flow twards the heat. The solder should flow as soon as the flux starts to bubble. It’s easier than it sounds. BJH

 

[FlinterNick]

I’m building a Chambers New England Fowler in 10ga and I wanted to share my experience with soldering the barrel lugs and front sight. I am new to building guns and had very little experience with soldering, so it took me quite a while to piece together the information from related posts and to learn the terminology related to these soldering jobs. I am by no means an expert, more like barely competent, but I learned a lot. Hopefully this will help other new builders along the way.

My first task was determining what kind of solder to use. I read a lot about “silver” solder but it was a little confusing figuring out what that meant. The consensus seems to be that this means low temp silver bearing solder as opposed to wire used for high temp silver brazing. I picked up some Harris Stay-Brite solder which is 94% tin and 6% silver which melts at 430 deg F. The set I bought on amazon came with a liquid flux that I found to be difficult to work with (will discuss later).

I started by preparing the round steel barrel lugs by cleaning up the casting blemishes with a file. Then I sanded the bottom of the lugs by wrapping sand paper around the barrel in the general location of the lug and sanding the bottom of the lug so that it will conform to the same radius of the barrel. I think I used 150 and 220 grit paper. Next I sanded the barrel with 220 grit where the lug was to go. There are good topics you can easily search here on how to mark center lines on a round barrel.

My next task was to “tin” the lug and barrel separately with a thin coat of solder. Being a newbie, I had no idea what “tinning” meant. It is simply applying a thin layer of solder to each surface (easier said than done!) this video helped a lot on youtube: I found that the liquid flux I was using would turn brown and burn at nearly the exact temperature that the solder would melt, resulting in a poorly and unevenly tinned surface. I had to approach the melting temp very carefully by feathering the propane flame around the area and checking the solder for melting frequently. It is important to try and NOT heat the area you intend to solder with direct flame. I want to mention that I first held my lug to be tinned in a c-clamp and vise. It seemed like the clamp was acting as a heat sink and drawing heat from the lug, cooling it before it could be tinned. I switched to some small hemostat clips (locking forceps) for holding the lugs and had much better luck.

After parts are tinned, you want to add a bit more flux and clamp your lug to the barrel. I used a bent piece of hack saw blade that I notched on the end that holds the lug and clamped it to the barrel with spring clamps. I had to heat the hack saw blade red hot to get it to bend without breaking.
Heat the 2 parts with indirect heat until they fuse together and you see melted solder around the lug. Use a wet shop rag and clean up the flux while the part is still hot or it will be hard to remove later.

For the front sight, I used basically the same process, only this time I tried a flux paste recommended by muzzleloader builders supply website. It’s called Rectorseal C-Flux. It has some powdered solder in the mix. This seemed to have a much higher burning temp and resulted in a beautifully tinned surface. 100% easier than the liquid flux. I might also mention that I used MAP gas instead of propane, which got the parts up to temp quickly. Everything was cleaned up with the file to finish.

I’m sure this post seems very elementary for the experienced builders, but I thought it could help the new folks like me. I’m curious to hear any suggestions or different ways you all do it.
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I use picture frame wire to hold the lugs.

 

[Noeyebrows]

We solder a lot of underlugs and sights on our fowler barrels. First, soft solder is more than strong enough. We've experimented with a lot of different solders and have found a past 60/40 lead tin solder with a strong acid flux to be best. Here is the product we use:

SSE-360-851 Solder Paste
SRA Solder Products

No need to tin parts. Apply paste, position together and heat.

Jim

Thanks Jim!