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Jezzzzzz...

After reading all these posts, I guess I'm about the slowest reloader in the bunch. I'm lucky if I get off 20 shots in 3 or 4 hours. I never hurry the reloading.

One important point... NEVER talk to anyone else WHILE YOU'RE LOADING. Completely load your rifle and THEN, talk to others. Jabbering with others while your loading is a sure recipe for "dry-balling" (leaving the powder charge out) the rifle!

You can always tell if your rifle is fully loaded by putting your range rod down the barrel. Of course, that's assuming you've "marked" your range rod at the "empty" and "full" points on the rod.

Jus' my 2 cents... :)


Strength & Honor...

Ron T.
 
This is not intended for you, Ron T, but to new shooters in general.

1. Expect to get dirty loading any MLer; Take a towel, a bottle of water, a small bottle of liquid soap, and a roll of paper towels with you to the range. The Towel will let you wipe off your hands after loading, and the paper towels, will let you wipe off powder residue from the outside of the gun, and the Ramrod, as well as dry your hands after washing them with soap and water.

2. Leave " Speed" loading and shooting to the suppository shooters- NOT Muzzleloaders! You are both RELOADING- as cartridge shooters do at home between range sessions- and Shooting your gun every time its fired.

If you were to add in the time it takes to clean and reload cartridge casings to the "speed" at which cartridge guns are fired, there would not be much difference in the speed we get loading MLers quickly.

I learned this watching a man use ONE OLD Cartridge Casing- one of three he had, BTW-- to shoot an original Sharps Breechloader in .45-90 caliber at a rifle range when I was a kid. He did all the cleaning, decapping, repriming, powder measuring and loading, at the bench to shoot each shot. He was using a Tang Peep sight( original) and shot very small groups on a NRA 6" bullseye target, on a windy day. But, the word "speed" was not part of his vocabulary.

3. If you just have to SHOOT a lot of "BULLETS" down range, take a modern, .22 Semi-auto rifle to a range and blast away. MLing shooting is a slow, deliberate activity, where shooters find greatest pleasure in shooting carefully aimed, small groups, after carefully loading their guns.

Its not a sport for everyone- face it. And, as I Have noted above, there are days when you Want to shoot a Lot of "Bullets" downrange. Leave the MLer at home and take a more appropriate rifle to the range that day. Just don't expect the best accurate bullet placement on those days at a range.

4. Safety has to be paramount in importance, EVERY time you use a MLER. There are NO SHORTCUTS to firearms safety with these guns.

a. Always LOAD using a hand-over-hand technique, with your back hand never more than 8 inches above the muzzle; This keeps you from breaking a ramrod. You can WITHDRAW a ramrod by grabbing the other end of the rod and pulling it out, Safely, but don't try to push a ball or bullet down the barrel( Or cleaning patches, bore brushes, etc.either) by holding the rod on the end.

b. Wipe the barrel between shots with a damp patch to extinguish embers that MAY be in the back of the barrel; then run a drying patch or two down the barrel to soak up any moisture left from the damp patch. Read the cleaning patch, to see how much "gunk" you are pulling out of the barrel. If the patch is slick and shiney black in color, run another dry patch down the barrel to get more moisture out of the barrel before you load the next powder charge.

On really humid day, it may not be such a bad thing to take a percussion gunover to the safe zone at the range, and fire another cap to clear the nipple and flash channel of any moisture that is collecting down there.

5. Make sure to wipe down the area around the nipple, and the nipple, or the area around the Touchhole, the frizzen pan, the frizzen, and the flint, both upper and bottom sides of the flint, to remove BP residue and moisture that may collect there. The pan and bottom of the frizzen need to be dry, and CLEAN of residue. The residue absorbs moisture from the air, and will foul your priming charge.

6. Mark your loading(ram) rod to show when the barrel is loaded, and when its empty. Some will also mark the rod to show when the powder charge is in place, too. LOAD TO THE MARK, Always.

7. Read your spent patches to find out what is going on inside the barrel.

8. When loading any Muzzleloader, always point the muzzle away from your body, and body parts. You don't get replacement fingers, either. I don't recommend closing your thumb around a loading rod when running it down the barrel.

I wrap only my fingers around the rod, alternating my grip, hands turned outward, to load the gun. If a spark ignites the powder and drives that rod out the muzzle, my autonomous nervous system is programed to open those finger to avoid harm. My thumb is programed to close and hang on tight- just the opposite- and that is one way to lose a thumb. I call this the " monkey grip" because its so similar to how Orangutans grab tree branches when moving from one tree to another.

9. Follow all range rules for safety, and insist that others around you do the same. Follow the NRA Ten Commandments of Firearm Safety, as well.

Have fun but shoot SAFELY. Forget about those speed loading techniques in the movies. That's Hollywood, and you don't have Hostiles charging at you with a knife, Tomahawk, or bayonet bound to kill you if you don't load and shoot that gun quick enough. :nono: :surrender: :hmm: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
 
Paul said and "Load to the Mark Every Time" Best advice for newcommers ever said. :thumbsup: Having a ball not seated properly will ruin your whole day! and possibly more.
 
It certainly is a good habit. I pretty much shoot one rifle and I know three fingers of rod is a fully set load and can do it by feel alone.

But all my rods on all my m/l have a pencil mark. It is as important for checking an "unloaded" gun at home that hasn't been used. Assume they are all loaded, but verify as well.
 
It has been my experience that speed loading has little to do with speed and a lot to do with practice.

In a 20 minute timed relay I can easily fire a shot and return to the loading bench, reload and return to the firing line and fire an aimed shot in about a minute. Comfortably.

At the bench, I have the components laid out neatly in front of me and I follow the same routine. It also helps that I have been doing this for a number of years. :wink:

From the pouch it is not so fast, but usually these are less serious events, where camaraderie is more important than score. So, sometimes I will sacrifice a bit of accuracy and switch to a thumb pressed ball and spit patch. No short starter or separate loading rod needed.

I hope the rod used in the video was synthetic, I hate to see a wood rod bending that much. :shocked2:
 
From the pouch it is not so fast, but usually these are less serious events, where camaraderie is more important than score.

Then there is the Seneca Run. Running and loading from the bag for time and accuracy.

Or flintlock Biathlon on snowshoes.

(Note all the movement segments are with unloaded rifle).
 
Ron, please do not misunderstand. All chatter is begun after the smoke clears and ends before the powder is measured. Rod is marked to show what is or is not in the barrel. SAFTY is number one priority, not speed, not talking, gawking or anything else. Paul is spot on with his post that followed "ours" and not just beginners would do well to read, mark, learn and inwardly digest what he said.
 
You are correct about the Seneca runs, they can make anyone feel like a klutz. :wink:

That is a case where both speed and accuracy come into play.

Also, I find it hard to aim when I am wheezing. :grin:
 
Ron T. One important point... [b said:
NEVER[/b] talk to anyone else WHILE YOU'RE LOADING.

Ron T.


I would also add not to go shooting if you cant pay complete attention to the task at hand.

A few months ago I went to shoot my flinter. I had a lot on my mind and I thought it might relax me...well my mind began to wander back to my problem(nothing serious I was stressed about an upcoming exam for nursing school) and I wound up shooting off a short seated ball, thankfully with no ill affects to shooter or gun.
 
Well try and not be discouraged by some of the posts, there are some novelty shoots out West where speed and accuracy are the rule of the day, we don't punch much paper out in these parts.

The last shoot I attended had a "fort shoot" with 32 targets and a gong at ranges out to 50 yards or so, it was a team event comprised of 4 individuals.

We started with a loaded rifle and the 10 minute time limit started with the first shot and stopped with the ringing of the gong.

None of the targets were "gimmees" most were small and or thin or heavy ( poorly hit and they spun ) and were required to be tipped off of their perch with one target that required the team to fire as a group to knock it over.

The team I shot with was the only team to clear the field with time remaining on the clock (10 whole seconds), I was the only one shooting a flint and managed to get off 14 shots with 1 miss and 1 wasted on the heavy as others missed on the first try. I had no miss fires, no hang fires, and no loading issues, the combination I shoot does not require me to swab, wipe, or clean the bore between shots, I picked the vent every 3rd shot.

The thing is, accuracy in loading and shooting is far more important than speed in any event, as there were others on the team that loaded and shot faster but knocked down fewer targets, also note I have been seriously and exclusively involved with muzzleloaders since '04 and flint only since '06.

You will definetly need to put your time in with the rifle before you can expect to become proficient with it, and with the time you will develope your own style. I did notice a few issues with the video, mainly how far you choked up on the loading rod.
 
You and Ron T. are right on. I've been to the range for a three hour session on many occasions and only getting off 30 or so rounds. Always seem to have a couple of shooters step over to admire my flinter. I ALWAYS offer to let them shoot and more often than not they take me up on it. The most common comment is about how fast the ignition is. I try not to talk while loading but do all the moseying around things you mentioned. If I was interested in speed loading I'd have stuck with 20th century technology. The fact that I'm slow & methodical makes me a perfect match for Muzzleloaders. The lack of pressure makes it fun.

I also get invited to fire lots of different guns, from the little "black" rifles on up to a .50BMG semi auto (interesting and fun). Speed/muzzleloader is an oxymoron.
 
It don't matter how fast you can reload. If the first shot is no good even a semi auto CF won't give you much of a second chance. BP is about making the first shot good or not taking it if it ain't right. :thumbsup:
 
You've got it! Flint deer is a one shot game. Hit or miss, once the shot is fired; game over. Anything after that is another brand new game.
 
A good gunsmith can probably alter that gun so it is hinged at the rear by the breech and possibly the ball powder and patch can be inserted at one time, then the gun hinged back into a locked position and a cap added, I think this would be faster than what we now do, it is just a matter of getting the whole concept figured out and made into a workable configuration :hmm:
 
That will never work.

Like it or not we are stuck with a fixed breech plug so we will always have to load guns from the muzzle.

:grin:
 
Well I live about thirty minutes from "The log cabin" in Ohio. So I'm going to head over there and pick up a brass range rod. I have a $160 shopping list for that place anyway. I need quite a bit of stuff to complete my black powder gear.
 
From time to time I participate in an off hand BP shooting competition with my Pedersoli Frontier .45 flintlock. 12 guys in a row competing with percussion guns, flinlock, Sharps etc. We get 30 minutes to fire 13 shots. I had a terrible time in the beginning to just complete that number of shots within the allowed time. Mostly I was the last guy firing. With the smallest of problems I got myself out of the allowed time... It became stressful to have to shoot this way, and I had to look for solutions. I finally bought speed loaders, enough for a shooting match. From then on I could manage the time better, had lesser dryballing problems (due to haste), bought myself enough time to mre and better concentrate on he shooting itself... I agree not PC or HC, but hey we are all dressed in jeans anyway....
 
This sport, hobby, obsession, will grow on you if you let it.

Just take your time and enjoy the time you spend, I have no regrets.
 
Stumpkiller said:
You both earned points for not pushing the rod down with the palm of your hands, but a hard, steady push choked up on the rod beats a running smash & hammer for rod life expectancy and less damage to the muzzle and face of the ball.

You could also load a LOT faster by making up pre-lubed & patched balls in a ball block.

***SNIPPED PIC *****

Huntin Dawg made this beauty for me - no idea why the image looks like it's seen through Predator's eyes.

Hey Stumpkiller,

That picture looks strange because it was saved as a gif instead of a jpg. The gif format is limited to 256 colors, the jpg (jpeg) does 17 million of colors. Photos are best saved in their final form as ".jpg". Illustrations and flat colors work fine in .gif format. You get a lot of "banding" in gifs because they don't do color shade transitions well.

Twisted_1in66 :thumbsup:
 

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