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Tinker2 said:
I had “a web site as "advertising"“ No e-mail just a phone number.

That's not the point, or the topic.

The topic (original post) is: "Is it just me, or does the typical ML'er supplier's aversion to things modern extend to e-mail too? I have sent 3 or 4 inquiry e-mails to suppliers and not heard back fro a one of them."

Not responding to a customer is not only bad business, it's just plain rude.
 
In my buisess and I have a website. Real customers don't send emails, they call. Those that send emails are taking away valuable time and never go forward, they are just window shopping. The real customers look at my site and then they pick up the phone. In my real estate buisness, I never made a sale from an email, but the website gives them my ph. no. to call. Your mileage may vary.
 
Carl
“If you receive a phone message, you need to reply to it.”
Yes you should.

“If you receive an email, you need to reply to it.”
Yes you should.

“That's common courtesy (and good business), no matter how many excuses you guys try to make for poor service.”
Yes it is, common courtesy.

Not trying to make excuses, just explaining why and how I ran my
business.

E-mails got to be to much of a hassle, a waste of time, customers
don’t know enough [ in my business ] about what they need, most
of my e-mail replies were call me. Saved time not to post my e-mail.
That gives my customers the best service I can. My customers that
I trust to know what they need have my e-mail and I reply.

If they call me and get the machine, it does not take messages, it just
tells them what days and times to call and get a real person that can
help them.

We are not in a disagreement about if you post your e-mail or phone
number, that you should respond in some way.



Quite independent
Tinker2
 
"...Is it just me, or does the typical ML'er supplier's aversion to things modern extend to e-mail too?..."
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Yes.
They are all a bunch of local hicks who don't know a thing about the Internet and E-Mails.

They live in the back woods and have to walk 2 miles over to Homers' house so they can use his crank up telephone to talk to the outside world, that is, they can talk when the two EverReady batteries aren't run down.

I'm hope that my confirming your worst suspensions will help you sleep better tonight.

Those who would rather not deal with people like this should follow their better judgments.

Speaking for myself, I find these people very friendly and very knowledgeable about my favorite hobby, building and shooting Muzzleloading Firearms and I'll continue to patronize them. At least as long as the EverReadys last. :grin:
 
Dave K said:
In my buisess and I have a website. Real customers don't send emails, they call. Those that send emails are taking away valuable time and never go forward, they are just window shopping. The real customers look at my site and then they pick up the phone. In my real estate buisness, I never made a sale from an email, but the website gives them my ph. no. to call. Your mileage may vary.

Oh for God's sake. You guys are spinning this way beyond the point. Nobody is suggestion that anyone try to sell a friggin' house via email, but if you do get an email, answer the damn thing. That's all the original post was about.

This old, "I have a web site, but I'm too country to use email" is just BS.
 
I would think that responding to an e-mail would be less disruptive to one's work day than a phone call (answer the e-mail at your leisure vs. stop what you are doing to pick up the phone).

In the last two months, I have contracted to have three custom items built as a result of e-mail exchanges. I can't make phone calls from work, so getting someone on the phone is sometimes difficult.

Today, I tried to look on a gun builders web site but it apparently is no longer in use. No phone number on the ad, but there is an e-mail address. Hopefully, I will get a reply.

It is certainly reasonable for a craftsman to pick his preferred method of contact. Lots of people either don't have the desire or skill to e-mail. No big deal. But as others have pointed out, why list an e-mail address if you won't respond or a phone number if you never answer it?

Leave those out of your ads and you won't be bothered by incessant phone ringing or tons of e-mails you will have to delete, and your customers won't be aggravated by a lack of response.
 
Dave K said:
In my buisess and I have a website. Real customers don't send emails, they call. Those that send emails are taking away valuable time and never go forward, they are just window shopping. The real customers look at my site and then they pick up the phone. In my real estate buisness, I never made a sale from an email, but the website gives them my ph. no. to call. Your mileage may vary.

Your mileage defintely varies - for my custom crafts business 75% plus of my sales start with an email...............but a phone call, original contact or otherwise, is the best way to nail it down so to speak..........
 
Carl, he asked about supply houses not answering his emails. These supply houses are buisnesses and I was referring to my own buisness and answered in that tone about email use. Your remarks to this thread did what? If you don't like what I said, ignore it or ignore me. It may improve both our lives. At least I doubt if I feel the loss of being ignored by you. You may still have the chance to delete your post, if you do, I will delete mine.
 
For those of us without computer Course education under our belts, and barely know where the ON switch is for these things, Website are most often made up by someone else. They "sell" their services in setting up websites. They don't know anything about our business, nor do they ask. They have a questionaire they have you fill out, and that usually includes a phone number, and, of Course, they have your email address. They land on your webpage without any further discussion. You, of course, being new to all this Internet stuff, have no clue IF ANY business is going to be generated, much less how much. And you have no idea how much email you will get.

Yes, most of us are drowning in Spam. I was fortunate to have a friend who put in some Anti-spam software program in my computer. I sat there while he did it, but Have NO clue what he was doing, or how it was done. That has eliminated hours a week of junk mail I have to delete to get to important messages. But, again, for the hard working small businessmen, they don't even have the time to learn, or know that that this stuff exists.

They get to HATE that computer- which they always suspected was the tool of the devil anyway!--- and have no time to learn how to type fast enough to respond to all the inquiries. When they do, they ask the poster to call them. Its really much faster to talk by phone than to do Q & A by computer.

All these points have been made by other members, here, and all we are asking Carl, and others who get their noses bent out of shape is to cut these folks some slack. Their talents lie in what they make- not in their typing and writing skills.

Yes, Carl, Its rude to not respond to an email. If you are going to list an email address on the website, you should expect it to be used, and you need to either remove it, or respond to the posts. Its bad policy to NOT respond. But, it costs money to hire someone to redo a webpage, and a lot of these gunmakers are working on very thin margins as it is.

This post has generated some useful observations about the difference between customers who send Emails, and those who place phone calls. The consensus is that the Email shoppers are just shoppers, and rarely are buyers. The serious buyers use the phone to call.

May I suggest some advice about phone call timing: If you want to reach a small business operator with any chance of talking to him/her, do it late in the morning, or late in the afternoon. Most of us rise early to get in work before the phone begins to ring and be a distraction. If you have a project you are trying to complete, you ignore the phone, too.

When I had a secretary, I would often have her hold all calls, and tell people I would return calls before Noon. That way, I could do my research, and draft pleadings without interruption.

I had cases in Court most Monday mornings, for years, and I found that the flurry of calls from clients who had spent all weekend thinking of something to ask me first thing Monday morning, became very short calls when I returned calls beginning at 11:45 A.M. My secretaries were always shocked at how quickly I answered all the call slips they gave me.

Of course, I was still waiting on other lawyers or persons involved in those cases to return my calls, so that I would be able to progress with the case, and have something to tell the client. I learned WHEN to call busy people if I really wanted to talk to them.

I hope this helps keep the blood pressure down. :shocked2: :thumbsup:
 
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