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Swabbing, running a patch, cleaning -- which is it?

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shifty-eyed_one

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I'm admitting my naivete here, but I'm following thread after thread that discusses the merits of swabbing between shots (or not) and running a spit patch (or not) and cleaning with patches after a certain number of shots (or not).
For us who are relatively new to the sport, when we talk about swabbing the bore, are we actually talking about using one of those cotton bore swabs OR are we talking about running a patch down the bore once or twice.

Also, if we're not talking about a cotton bore swab, do people use a brass jag with a patch (let's assume this is during a session at the range)? Does anyone use a patch worm? What about a bronze bore brush w/ or w/out a patch on it?

In my limited experience, I've never run a patch of any sort with any tool during a session, and only felt like I should have once, when loading became ridiculously difficult due to fouling. :youcrazy:
 
unless i'm as confused about the terminology as you are, i think the patch on a jag is what is referred to as swabbing. At least that is what i usually do every few shots at the range. I tried not doing it and ended up having to seat a ball by ramming the ramrod against the bumper of my truck. Now, i'm not 100% sure if the truck-bumper-loading-aid was PC or not, but ever since that one time, i have run a patch down the bore. I've tried spit, rubbing alcohol, windex, and water. Right now i'm still experimenting with the alcohol while at the range, and it seems to be working well so far, but to each his own. I'm still learning, so if i have any of the above wrong, please correct me. Thanks.
Paul
 
I been using a jag and a patch dampened with No.13 Bore Cleaner. Every five shots. Sometimes I go 10 shots.
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Good Morning,
Swabbing Between shots for me consists of my cleaning Jag on my Range rod and spitt on a cleaning patch.I've got into the habit over the years of swabbing after every shot.
 
swabbing is running a patch during a firing session. I run one, with a cleaning solution such as "Black out" a small jug of which (concentate) I buy from Dixie every 3-4 years..it lasts a long time 'cause I don't swab much...maybe every 10-15 shots, sometimes not even then. I got good advice here on the board about using Wonderlube on my patches, and that has helped the bore stay pretty clean...
Hank
 
Shifty Heres the scoop. I usually,sometimes you can't in hunting situations. Target ok. Now what is going on is if you try to run a dry patch down after a shot you can get a stuck patch,so you wet the patch usually spit or wet in mouth depends what you are using for cleaning patch.(new patchs or old shorts,savvy) The trick is how much to wet patch,you want it just damp,so won't hang up. If you get too much it wil wet nipple area and bingo gun won't go off.If you just run one c-patch down and turn over and run again.Is fine you will be shoting same every shot .Heres a cheap cleaner. Equal parts of alcohol,peroxide,murphys oil soap It will Clean it to bare metal. If you use it for cleaning after done shoting,be sure to oil bore good. as it takes out every thing.One said it took of finish of his stock, I watch and never had this problem,it is good to clean guns that are not hooked breech. Hope this helps. Dilly-Do-Nothing.
 
At the range, I only swab the bore when loading starts to get difficult or if accuracy suddenly goes to pot. When shooting PRB at targets the loads are greatly reduced from maximum and fouling isn't much of an issue. I can sometimes get through an entire session (25 to 30 shots) without swabbing once; especially if its humid. For targets I shoot Pyrodex P.

When working with full power/hunting loads, I generally have to swab every 5 to 10 shots. Windshield washer mixed 50/50 with 91% isopropyl alchohol is the cleaning solution (as per cayugad), followed by dry patches. If the bore is left at all damp, Point of Impact wanders. It's always necessary to snap a cap or two after swabbing to clear the flash channel...if I forget there's generally a hangfire.

If I had to swab after every shot, I'd give up on muzzleloaders.
Bob
 
OK, Let's go to the range. Also, my experience with traditionals is limited but I have shot extensively at the range with ...........uh.....other percussion rifles.

At the bench, before you load and shoot, your bore has oil, bore butter, or some other lubricant that you put in there after the last shooting session. Put a jag on your ramrod and use a wet patch (I like to use straight alcohol at this point--but T/C #13, diluted alcohol, windex, water or spit will work) and swab the barrel to remove the lube. Follow with a dry patch. There should only be a light coating of lube in the barrel so only one wet and one dry patch should do the job.

Now pop a couple of caps on an empty barrel to lightly foul it, assuming you're shooting percussion. Don't reswab. Some shooters do a squib load (small load of powder and no bullet) at this point to foul the barrel even more. I have never done this. Point the rifle down range while popping those caps.

Load your gun and shoot.

User preferences now really come into play. Do you want to swab in between every shot. Do so. IMO, it won't hurt anything, but I have read at least one post or thread making the point that overcleaning/overswabbing can damage a barrel over time. One may say his or her rifle shoots better if the barrel is not cleaned after every shot. Only one way to find out. I like to shoot paper targets, but my main focus is deer hunting. My theory is that only the first shot counts, so I swab after every shot, trying to keep the barrel as close to the way it will be on the first shot at a deer. That will be with a clean barrel (two caps popped off to lightly foul) and a cold barrel. To experiment, I have gone as many as 10 shots without swabbing and did find that my accuracy declined some past the 5th shot. The thing is, unless you are shooting in timed matches (ain't none of those down here in North Texas that I've seen), why not swab in between shots or every third shot? If you hunt, you will want some practice shooting that second or third shot without swabbing since I don't intend to swab between shots in the field.

Let's say you've decided to go a few shots without cleaning so you shoot five and then run a dry patch down the barrel because you forgot to use a wet one. The patch goes down the barrel until it is 2 to 3 inches from the bottom and then it sticks. You pull on the ramrod and the thing won't budge. Just squirt or pour a small amount of liquid down the barrel to wet the patch. After a few seconds you can pull the patch out without much effort.

It has not happened to me yet that I have shot so many times without cleaning that the bullet won't go down the barrel. I strongly recommend not useing the bumper of a vehicle, or the ground, or whatever to ram the ramrod down the barrel as mentioned above. Consider getting a range rod. Mine is a 3-piece solid copper rod that came with a relatively inexpensive ML cleaning kit. I haven't seen any PC range rods, so if that matters.....

The cotton bore swabs are not necessary. If you're shooting PRBs or even conicals, the brass scrub brush isn't either. If you're sticking some plastic down the barrel :shake: , you will need the brass brush after a few shots.

The worm is used to retrieve a patch that has come off the jag down in the barrel.

Well, I had been planning a range day this weekend, but after a week here in which we had some high 70s temps, it it in the low 30s out there today, so here I sit.

If I had some RB moulds, this would be a good day to do that.
 
Thanks for all the help so far guys.

I found out the hard way about sticking a dry patch down the barrel. It freaked me out. I was home after a shooting session and was about to clean the gun. I guess I wondered what a dry patch would look like after lots of shooting with no "swabbing" out in the field, so I ran a dry one down. Boy, did it lock up tight. At first, being new to this whole thing, I panicked. You guys will laugh, but I had my wife holding onto the barrel while I pulled with all my might on the cleaning rod. :youcrazy: :rotf: :cursing: Nary a budge. All kinds of creative solutions were buzzing around in my mind :grin: , like sawing the barrel in two, but I refrained long enough to get my wits about me. Poured a little H2O down the barrel, waited a bit, and voila! it came out.

If I have time, I usually shoot about 25 shots in an outing, and accuracy is everywhere, but I'm always changing powder loads and back and forth from PRB to maxi-balls. Now that I've had some fun with it, I need to go work up some loads methodically, following all the good advice I'm getting here. :bow: Don't give up on me yet!
 
I don't like wasting my time swabbing/wiping the bore between shots during a range session.

Here in North Carolina with our weather/humidity, I can shoot entire range sessions from March through November using shooting patches prelubed with natural lube 1000...but that wouldn't work during the colder/drier months of Dec/Jan/Feb.

I've learned I can do the same thing during these dry months using shooting patches that have been dampened with a little Hoppe's No9 BP Plus patch lube...ie: just got back from a 50 shot range session and never had to wipe the bore.

The good news in both situations is that accuracy and POI remain identical...life is good !
:thumbsup:
 
I apologize ifi gave the impression that i encouraged the use of a bumper, tree, etc. as a loading tool. I just meant that as an example of what i have done out of stupidity and trying to learn all this on my own before i found this forum. Kinda one of those, hey, here's how i screwed up, try not to make the same mistake. So i apologize to anyone who thought i was sending the wrong message.

Paul
 
Never took it as a recommendation. Maybe we need a thread about our screw-ups so that we can all learn and laugh (if appropriate) as we go along. :thumbsup:

BTW, where in the Great State are you?
 
Waco, yeah, i know, go ahead and start the jokes. Whatever they said i did, i promise i either didnt do it, or i had a good reason. That's my story anyways.
Paul
 
dmills said:
Maybe we need a thread about our screw-ups so that we can all learn and laugh (if appropriate) as we go along.
You know, we really could...we could flowchart it like an automotive diagnostic chart...
IGNITION OK?
IF YES.......GO TO STEP 2
IF NO, GO TO STEP 12
ETC
ETC
 
Roundball,
i have a few of mine that i could definitely contribute, and a couple at least would keep you all laughing.
Paul
 
Lonegun1894 said:
Roundball,
i have a few of mine that i could definitely contribute, and a couple at least would keep you all laughing.
Paul
:hmm: ...you mean like:

Does your ramrod stick up an inch higher than normal?
If YES, Pull double ball or charge;
If NO, prime and shoot at target;

Is your ramrod missing?
If YES, check your target;
If NO, proceed as usual;

:rotf:
 

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