This started asking prices for TC Hawkins and I see all sorts of prices so I wana ask,Are the cheap rifles acually TCs. I just joined the group and posted in the newbie section wrong and asked about the diff in Hawkins/Rengades/Senecas. Ive seen each offered as TCs but I got what the guy that give it to me says was a hawkins but was made by Investarms in Italy,so would'nt that mean its a nock off of the original just like CVA and I'm thinking many others. I thought the Hawkins origianted because of the need for a big bore short rifle to take west, there wasnt much call for a rifle to shoot bear or moose or maybe buffalo in the east in the early 1800s. I could be wrong as history aint my best subject, As for this post about prices here in Indiana I found 2 aka TC Hawkins for $150,2 CVA Hawkins and ! CVA Hawkins for $125. Just for giggles, my Investarms sold for $110 12/22/1978 (got the orig reciept with the gun) This morn I went and got a 50Cal CVA with a 24" barrel for $100 that was listed as just a BP rifle,plain jane as hell with fixed sights and its sweet, Its like throwing up a carbine rifle, gona be a real happy grandson in town pretty soon.I'll end this by saying in the shop where I got $100 gun they had a TC Hawkins and they wanted more than $800, and it was a TC as it was inscribed with the name across the barrel