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That's an important consideration. I have to really choke up on my wooden ramrod, and there's no such thing as one-stroke seating.
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TC-Hoyt .58 replacement barrel
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Understood that you had a Bobby Hoyt 58 caliber re-bore with 1-60 radius bottom rifling, correct? The two of 58 caliber re-bores Mr. Hoyt did for me have deep rifling (forget measurement, but believe somewhere between .012 and .015) and very narrow lands. Nothing like the TC factory or Green Mountain drop ins I have seen. Below is a photo of the business end of one of mine. Guessing yours is similar.
Requires a lot patch material to fill those grooves and seal the bore.
Just checked some 'Ox-Yoke Originals All Day Wonder Patches' that the package states are .015 thick. Using calipers like I mentioned in a previous post, these patches measure .013. Using my mic and compressing the patch I get a reading of .0075. These MIGHT work in a shallow grooved barrel (a TC factory for example) but are WAY too thin for Mr. Hoyt's radius bottom re-bores, at least in my experience. I know I tried patch material that measured compressed to .010 (believe it was .018 or .020 with calipers, not sure of exact measurement as I find it relatively useless) and doubt I could hit a garbage can at 100 yards with that load.
Here are photos of both sides of one of my denim patches after being shot (would have been fired over 80 to 110 grains of fff Swiss). This is the .030 thick measure with the calipers and .016 compressed. Takes quite a smack with the short starter to get in the barrel before trimming the patch, but once started they go down easy. At the range I swab between shots, but as this is hunting gun I have tested the load without swabbing. Three shots and no issues loading. Believe narrow lands and the deep grooves in the Hoyt re-bore account for the relatively easy loading.
Note that even with these relatively tight patches I have a little bit of blow by in the grooves. But the accuracy is good and it least for me relatively easy to load. May experiment with thicker material or larger balls (running .565 today) at some point, but calling it a good hunting load now, although I believe I could squeeze some more accuracy out. As Dutch has said, you have to go out and shoot and experiment on your own. Each gun is different.
Requires a lot patch material to fill those grooves and seal the bore.
Just checked some 'Ox-Yoke Originals All Day Wonder Patches' that the package states are .015 thick. Using calipers like I mentioned in a previous post, these patches measure .013. Using my mic and compressing the patch I get a reading of .0075. These MIGHT work in a shallow grooved barrel (a TC factory for example) but are WAY too thin for Mr. Hoyt's radius bottom re-bores, at least in my experience. I know I tried patch material that measured compressed to .010 (believe it was .018 or .020 with calipers, not sure of exact measurement as I find it relatively useless) and doubt I could hit a garbage can at 100 yards with that load.
Here are photos of both sides of one of my denim patches after being shot (would have been fired over 80 to 110 grains of fff Swiss). This is the .030 thick measure with the calipers and .016 compressed. Takes quite a smack with the short starter to get in the barrel before trimming the patch, but once started they go down easy. At the range I swab between shots, but as this is hunting gun I have tested the load without swabbing. Three shots and no issues loading. Believe narrow lands and the deep grooves in the Hoyt re-bore account for the relatively easy loading.
Note that even with these relatively tight patches I have a little bit of blow by in the grooves. But the accuracy is good and it least for me relatively easy to load. May experiment with thicker material or larger balls (running .565 today) at some point, but calling it a good hunting load now, although I believe I could squeeze some more accuracy out. As Dutch has said, you have to go out and shoot and experiment on your own. Each gun is different.
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Yep, my Hoyt .58 TC's with round ball rifling are almost exactly like that. Some day I'd like to see how thick the skirt on a minie would have to be!
This'll take lots of lead!
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Elkeater
45 Cal.
My first look at mine I was surprised how narrow the lands are, the grooves about 1.8x larger than lands. But your lands look even narrower. So deeper groves than mine. They are impressive.SDSmlf said:Understood that you had a Bobby Hoyt 58 caliber re-bore with 1-60 radius bottom rifling, correct? The two of 58 caliber re-bores Mr. Hoyt did for me have deep rifling (forget measurement, but believe somewhere between .012 and .015) and very narrow lands. Nothing like the TC factory or Green Mountain drop ins I have seen. Below is a photo of the business end of one of mine. Guessing yours is similar.
Requires a lot patch material to fill those grooves and seal the bore.
Just checked some 'Ox-Yoke Originals All Day Wonder Patches' that the package states are .015 thick. Using calipers like I mentioned in a previous post, these patches measure .013. Using my mic and compressing the patch I get a reading of .0075. These MIGHT work in a shallow grooved barrel (a TC factory for example) but are WAY too thin for Mr. Hoyt's radius bottom re-bores, at least in my experience. I know I tried patch material that measured compressed to .010 (believe it was .018 or .020 with calipers, not sure of exact measurement as I find it relatively useless) and doubt I could hit a garbage can at 100 yards with that load.
Here are photos of both sides of one of my denim patches after being shot (would have been fired over 80 to 110 grains of fff Swiss). This is the .030 thick measure with the calipers and .016 compressed. Takes quite a smack with the short starter to get in the barrel before trimming the patch, but once started they go down easy. At the range I swab between shots, but as this is hunting gun I have tested the load without swabbing. Three shots and no issues loading. Believe narrow lands and the deep grooves in the Hoyt re-bore account for the relatively easy loading.
Note that even with these relatively tight patches I have a little bit of blow by in the grooves. But the accuracy is good and it least for me relatively easy to load. May experiment with thicker material or larger balls (running .565 today) at some point, but calling it a good hunting load now, although I believe I could squeeze some more accuracy out. As Dutch has said, you have to go out and shoot and experiment on your own. Each gun is different.
Maybe was at Walmart, got 2 denim cloth. Light and dark colors. Time to dig them up.
Land width on mine is what Bobby suggested after talking to him. Just have to be careful and always use a muzzle guide. Narrow lands can be fragile. But the two I have (one flint, one cap) are in my opinion easy to load and shoot lights out once you work out a load (owe Mr. Dutch Schoultz some thanks here).
Shouldn’t be all that difficult to figure out. If you can’t find something close at Joanne’s Frabrics (they will know why you are there) or Wallyworld, PM me your address to me and I’ll send you a bit of the denim I use for patch material for you to try if you have doubts. If it doesn’t work it only costs me postage. And be suspicious of the Wallyworld stuff. They can call it cotton at 90%, or so I heard.
Final though. You do have a micrometer, don’t you. Important tool in figuring out patch thickness. Mayb $20 on eBay or pawn shop. Ask any retired toolmakers you may know. They love to pass along tools they know will be used.
Shouldn’t be all that difficult to figure out. If you can’t find something close at Joanne’s Frabrics (they will know why you are there) or Wallyworld, PM me your address to me and I’ll send you a bit of the denim I use for patch material for you to try if you have doubts. If it doesn’t work it only costs me postage. And be suspicious of the Wallyworld stuff. They can call it cotton at 90%, or so I heard.
Final though. You do have a micrometer, don’t you. Important tool in figuring out patch thickness. Mayb $20 on eBay or pawn shop. Ask any retired toolmakers you may know. They love to pass along tools they know will be used.
Elkeater
45 Cal.
Thank you sir,
I do have micrometer. What I'm thin on is time. Gotta get the books ready for accountant then shoe the horse then I'll have range time. Packing up for trek to my elk date is the best part.
I do have micrometer. What I'm thin on is time. Gotta get the books ready for accountant then shoe the horse then I'll have range time. Packing up for trek to my elk date is the best part.
