TC prices

[Idaho Ron]

When I was last in Boise I went to a gun store that had some TC Hawkens and Renegades. The guns were not mint kind of guns. They all had some issues. The price was 500 for the low end and one had a set of lyman sights and the globe was on backwards. That gun was for sale for 700.
Today I saw a Hawken kit gun on a farm auction. The barrel was rusted so bad that it was a tomato stake. The lock was better looking but was rusty. The hammer was REAL rusted. The wood was okay looking but not good. That gun went for 210.00 dollars. I was shocked. I wanted to ask the guy did you even look at it?

 

[Obi-Wan Cannoli]

I purchased mine in near mint condition for $100 five years ago...score :grin:

 

[Howie1968]

For the last 2 weeks ive been looking everywhere pawn shops gun shops they wanted 300.00 and up and most of them looked in horrible shape. i just ended up ordering a new Lyman

 

[Obi-Wan Cannoli]

I love my tc hawken, but the way this is going: I may give it a year and then love two lymans even more :grin:

 

[Howie1968]

im considering another one myself maybe another deerstalker in .50 or the traditions deerhunter. i like the looks of the traditions hawken in 50 as well. not sure how good traditions are, but they sure do look nice

 

[azmntman]

My only flinter is traditions ST Louis Hawkins, 90 yds hit a clay pigeon every shot. No sparking issues. I like em....I'd rather have a custom but I was born good lookin instead :rotf:

 

[RhinoDave]

Around my neck of the woods, TCs are going generally for less than $300.00 I paid $147.00 for mine a few years back but completely refinished it. Here's a link to a real nice custom shop New Englander with two barrels 50/12 for $595.00 Guess prices aren't as high here as they are in other parts. http://shop.williamsgunsight.com/moreinfo.aspx?pid=034484&cs=/products.aspx&ai=M

 

[Obi-Wan Cannoli]

It would be hard for you to get a rifle that is nicer than your lyman without going the custom route. I love my tc, but I would never consider spending the inflated prices to get another one, especially when I could get a lyman which is just as good and still in production.

Be careful because Traditions is sending some of their products with plastic sights.

 

[excess650]

I was at a local gun show last weekend. A decent TC Hawken .50 flintlock was $275, a fair TC Renegade .50 flintlock was $250. There was a mint .54 percussion Renegade for $225, another pretty nice for $195. A mint Lyman Great Plains .54 flintlock was $425, and these were the asking prices.

 

[Cowboy]

I own a couple of TC Hawken's in .50 Cal.

The first one I purchased in around 2007 or 2008? It is a factory one. Paid around $300 for it back then. Is in immaculate condition. 100%

The second one was a kit gun still in the box ready to be built. Was a newer kit model with the factory blued barrel with also the QLA. I built it and it came out to be a very nice muzzleloader. Paid around $350 for it back in 2010.

I have seen alot of junked out TC's that people are wanting an arm and a leg for. :shocked2:

Do not shoot mine anymore but am saving them for trading material. Might even just hold on to them for my grandson when he gets old enough. He is going to get all my muzzleloaders when I am gone anyway.

TC made thousands of them, but to get the mint ones are getting harder to find without paying out the nose for one.

Respectfully, Cowboy

 

[Idaho Ron]

I see guys on here that are getting 100 and 150 dollar mint condition guns and man I am not seeing this here in southern Idaho.

 

[Obi-Wan Cannoli]

Mine appears to be an older one as well. Can you decipher the serial numbers by any chance?

 

[Jim C]

My brother just bought a nice unfired TC Hawken off of the Gun Broker for $300.

In these parts in the pawn shops and used gun racks they're usually priced at $500.

 

[Jim C]

I see guys on here that are getting 100 and 150 dollar mint condition guns and man I am not seeing this here in southern Idaho.

For some reason or another everything is higher up here in the NW corner.

 

[Cowboy]

Mine appears to be an older one as well. Can you decipher the serial numbers by any chance?

There has been a thousand Topics wrote on that very same question.

No one really seems to know? As you know, TC had a big factory fire and alot of any existing records of serial numbers or bill of sales were also destroyed.

You can't just call TC because the ones in the know have long gone by now.

There have been changes made in their design which can help you identify rather you have an earlier one or a latter build.

1. Pre warning barrel with cleanout screw vs Warning barrel with the word " HAWKEN " stamped on it and no cleanout screw.

2. Stamps on under side flats of the barrel. ( Spade), (Maltese Cross), ( circled "M" ) These were on the pre warning barrels.

3. They changed their front and rear sights at least 3 times that I know of.

4. Stock shape

5. Steel trigger guards on the earliest ones.

6. Tang bolt going all the way through the stock and screwing into the trigger guard on the latest version.

7. Lock bolt washer recessed flush with the lock panel, on the earlier ones.

8. Tang had an extra middle screw on it that could be removed for a Tang sight. This was available on the earlier production. The newer production tangs don't have this screw.

9. Changed the hammer design.

10. On the earlier ones, the nose cap had a single screw to hold it on. Newer ones use two screws.

In short, you have to remember that when TC was first making their Hawken rifles, the PC was not in use at the time and everything was being kept track of on paper. The fire destroyed alot of their records.

I only listed some of the changes that TC made to their Renegade's and Hawken rifles through the years of their production. It is hard to nail down any specific year by serial number alone. It would only be speculation.

Respectfully, Cowboy :hatsoff:

 

[Obi-Wan Cannoli]

Thank you. If I answered those questions, would you be able to approximate a date of manufacture within 10 years?

 

[Cowboy]

Thank you. If I answered those questions, would you be able to approximate a date of manufacture within 10 years?

I think that the only way to come close is for members who bought theirs new, and know what year they purchased them, compare their rifles characteristics and serial number with each other.

That would at least put you in a ball park of when it could have been possibly been made. Other then that it would only be pure speculation.

I have heard others say that this will probably be one of those mysteries that no one will ever be able to solve for sure. Any thing else is just pure speculations and opinions based on what others have heard. True or Not! :idunno:

Respectfully, Cowboy

 

[nkbj]

The Renegades and the Hawkens are going up.
Interesting to see what the market will bear.

 

[will5a1]

Farm and estate auctions are notorious for bizarre hammer prices, the "winning" bidder at the one you were at didn't know or care, and overpaid.

If you are GB member do an advanced search, completed auctions, Thompson Center Hawken - current sales for percussion rifles (flint fetch more) on the first page that I see indicate a low of $173, with a high of $395 for an unfired rifle, with most going in the $250 - $375 range.

I wish factory sidelock muzzleloaders were increasing in value, but I'm not seeing it on the national auction sites or here locally in shops.

I do think the 1970's - 1980's production and semi custom higher end guns, GRRW, Sharon, even the Western Arms Uberti Santa Fe, are increasing in value, there are not nearly as many and that level of quality sells.

 

[Katahdin]

I find Gun Shows are the worst places to buy guns,Way over priced in most cases,they like to "Dicker". I decide what I will pay for a gun before I walk through the door.I hand the seller the amount I will pay, for them to hold, while I look the gun over,(money in hand)
Then the dickering starts on the sellers part,I stick to my offer and if the seller sticks to theirs, I put the gun back and ask for my money back.No hurt feelings,just we could not come to my price.I do not get caught up in the "have to have it at any price" fair offer to the seller from the buyer.
Difficult for the seller to let "money in hand" slip away, if the offer is reasonable.