TC prices

[Rifleman1776]

Today I saw a Hawken kit gun on a farm auction. The barrel was rusted so bad that it was a tomato stake. The lock was better looking but was rusty. The hammer was REAL rusted. The wood was okay looking but not good. That gun went for 210.00 dollars. I was shocked. I wanted to ask the guy did you even look at it?

when I first started my gun shop about 1970 I attended many farm auctions. I could, and did, buy many junker guns often for only a few dollars. I used these for parts to repair customer guns. But, for whatever reason :hmm: , insanity caught hold of people and from then to now, many junker guns will sell for as much, or more, than the same model new in stores. Auctions, in person and, like Ebay, have become a challenging game. Folks brag about "winning" an item.

 

[faste350]

they are really holding their value here in PA because of our flintlock only late season. now through late summer is the time to buy here, but forget it from october through december.

 

[Pete44ru]

In my area, used T/C's seldom sell for over $200 in a gunshop - the reason being that most local potential muzzleloader buyers aren't interested in side-hammer guns.

The local demand is for inline muzzleloaders with QD breech plugs - which is a happy circumstance for me.

3 years ago, I bought a pristine T/C Renegade 56SB for $50 - to which I added a .54 Renegade percussion barrel off gunbroker @ $70.

2 years ago, I bought an equally pristine .45 T/C Seneca for $100.

1 year ago, I lucked into a very minty .36 T/C Seneca for $300 (an exception, for a hen's tooth).

Bargains are where you find them, but not usually online.

 

[nhmoose]

Today I saw a Hawken kit gun on a farm auction. The barrel was rusted so bad that it was a tomato stake. The lock was better looking but was rusty. The hammer was REAL rusted. The wood was okay looking but not good. That gun went for 210.00 dollars. I was shocked. I wanted to ask the guy did you even look at it?

when I first started my gun shop about 1970 I attended many farm auctions. I could, and did, buy many junker guns often for only a few dollars. I used these for parts to repair customer guns. But, for whatever reason :hmm: , insanity caught hold of people and from then to now, many junker guns will sell for as much, or more, than the same model new in stores. Auctions, in person and, like Ebay, have become a challenging game. Folks brag about "winning" an item.

I agree, I retired from my shop and sold out to my partners. 15 years ago I could buy every gun at a local auction at about 25% of what I could sell it for.

Bidding today is very hard for a dealer to buy them there. Internet knowledge has been a factor. When folks complained that as a dealer I outbid them. I stated You stopped bidding as you can always outbid me when I cannot make a profit. It is an auction so put up or shut up.

Now even some of the big gun only houses are hard to make profit from, but when you do your research and watch the condition there are some great deals especially on the higher end sales.

By the way I have found in the last 10 years ML prices are not what they used to be but the nice guns will still draw the money.

 

[Howie1968]

I just picked up a TC renegade double trigger comes with around 400 roundballs and 100 conicals in excellent shape for under 200.00 it is a .50 i should have it by next week. i was going to buy another deer stalker or a traditions hawken but this deal came up and i couldnt refuse, i guess i need to start looking for a .58 next i havent even shot yet and its this addicting, my lyman will be here tomorrow

 

[Obi-Wan Cannoli]

Nice score!!! :shocked2:

No turning back now, you are hooked. :grin:

 

[Billnpatti]

I purchased mine in near mint condition for $100 five years ago...score :grin:

Man, what a deal. That's disserves a few minutes of strutting. :haha:

 

[excess650]

You might just look for a Renegade barrel with a bad bore and have it rebored to .58. I was shooting my .58 flinter yesterday and REALLY happy with how well it shot....1-56" twist.

 

[Col. Batguano]

I see guys on here that are getting 100 and 150 dollar mint condition guns and man I am not seeing this here in southern Idaho.

That could be because ID does not allow ML'ers (for hunting) that do not show a portion of the cap (or pan). No unmentionables allowed. I would suspect that in states that do (allow unmentionables for hunting in a special season), that local prices would be lower.

It seems to me that a great majority of the people that purchase (not build) ML'ers do it to give themselves either a longer, or different game season.

 

[excess650]

I see guys on here that are getting 100 and 150 dollar mint condition guns and man I am not seeing this here in southern Idaho.

That could be because ID does not allow ML'ers (for hunting) that do not show a portion of the cap (or pan). No unmentionables allowed. I would suspect that in states that do (allow unmentionables for hunting in a special season), that local prices would be lower.

It seems to me that a great majority of the people that purchase (not build) ML'ers do it to give themselves either a longer, or different game season.

:thumbsup: In states like Pa where the "traditional season" is flintlock only, percussion guns are less $$. Too, deer in Pa is 44cal and larger vs 40cal and smaller for "small game". This makes the .45 cal and larger TC percussion guns useful for the early (doe only) MLer season, or regular rifle season unless you're just a paper puncher.

 

[Idaho Ron]

I see guys on here that are getting 100 and 150 dollar mint condition guns and man I am not seeing this here in southern Idaho.

That could be because ID does not allow ML'ers (for hunting) that do not show a portion of the cap (or pan). No unmentionables allowed. I would suspect that in states that do (allow unmentionables for hunting in a special season), that local prices would be lower.

It seems to me that a great majority of the people that purchase (not build) ML'ers do it to give themselves either a longer, or different game season.

Actually Idaho does allow the unmentionables but like you said they must comply. And a lot of companies are building North West Legal guns. TC dropped the side locks and just made some that were legal.

 

[OSR]

To Obi Wan Cannoli & Cowboy - Try going on Graybeard outdoors, in their Black Powder forums, there is a guy who goes by bubba.50 that's pretty good on figuring out the dates of manufacture for TC rifles.

 

[necchi]

bubba50 is a member here too and has been logged in today.
GB's is alright but there's a different level of experience and knowledge over there. I kind of gave up when several members where promoting a mix of turpentine and beeswax as an original rifle wood finish and another time when they took offense at the suggestion of epoxy bedding a trigger instead of using a popsicle stick.

When it comes to the price of T/C's it's a regional thing and based on the old supply and demand thing.
There's always been a lot of used ML's here in the upper midwest, but the $110-150 have been getting scarce of late and only found in private sales. Gun show prices are insane at 300 and up.

 

[Col. Batguano]

I'm with you on the ML'ing level of knowledge at GBO. However, when it comes to cannons and artillery, it's a really good site.

 

[don hepler]

Hawken and Renegades are cheap, compared to Seneca's and Cherokee's. I've seen 50 Cal.'s in Hawken and Renegade for 100. but never seen a Seneca or Cherokee under 450.

If you visit LGS and Pawn shops in Va., on a regular basis, you will more than likely find a Hawken or Renegade for 200. or less and often in real good condition.

Guns in Mint or unfired, especially flintlocks, will bring an extra 100. or 200.

 

[Captjoel]

As of a year or two ago, T\C Hawken & Renegade rifles *IN PERCUSSION have been around my area in abundance for low (100-150) prices. Their condition is a crap shoot, but many are in fine shape. I have never run across any in flintlock! I also have noticed that these low prices are starting to rise substantially as of late. What has really gone up has been parts for these rifles! Locks and barrels are going for what entire guns used to sell for! There are a lot of sellers dismantling T\C's for this boom in the parts trade!

 

[Billnpatti]

The last time I looked around at T/C Hawken prices, they were running from a low of about $450 for a caplock in fair condition to $550 for a flintlock in excellent condition. I have a T/C Hawken flintlock in "like new" condition to which I have added a Pecotonica full stock and new fixed sights. It is gorgeous and I wouldn't sell it for less than $750. But, it is not for sale.....at least not for a while yet. I am enjoying it too much to consider selling it.

 

[richdeerht]

My perception is that here in PA, prices of TC flintlocks are on the rise. I think for several reasons-
1. TC ain't makin' any more. New rifles got expensive just before TC stopped production.
2. Prices of new Lyman/Investarms rifles have risen. New GPR's are "up there now".
3. Prices for components to build a custom rifle have risen.
Thirty years ago, TC's (and some CVA's) were the most common flinters I saw in the woods. Now, I see a lot of Traditions flinters.

 

[larry wv]

Still cheap here. 125-150 for a nice Renegade or Hawken. At these prices it would be possible to buy a few and part them out on flea bay and buy a custom rifle. Crazy prices on some parts. :shocked2:

Larry

 

[Donny]

I don't know why/if folks are buying all the TC Hawken parts on fleaBay.. I have 2 and shot the heck out of them and nothing has ever gone wrong.
I see a lot of parts for sale but is anyone buying them? Buttplate, kinda high, etc.