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Looking for a good used primitive tent for the Fur Trade Era, Diamond, Baker, Single pole(Hunter's tent).
Live in the southeast. TN.
Looking to spend between 100-300 max.
Thanks
 
Hello TwoShadows,
Uncle Sam kinda left me without any tent money this year.
Gonna have to wait til later this summer and see if I can come up with some funds.
Out a curiosity, did you have a tant to sell?
Manyplews
 
A pal of mine has a real nice one for sale....but my concern is actually none of my business. I was just thinking that if you are wanting a period correct tent that a baker is a poor choice for most eastern doins. The Baker style tent is a good[url] design...in[/url] fact great, but not accepted at many of the local rendezvous. At a strictly
"juried "event they dont even allow the one pole pyramid type. They are much too late period for most doins unless you are doing very late western affairs. My suggestion is to go with a diamond fly. They can be had even in enormous sizes that will sleep several people. Price can easily be in the range you expressed too. I ask you to e-mail me or call me to keep from ditzing a sale on the wire here....I have enough enemies to not be going out of my way to hunt up more. If your camping future doesn't include the type where the fashion police are worried about tent design and such, by all means consider the one listed in a response to you. They are a good strong design and very comfortable...and his price sounds pretty good too....guess you could say the price of a canvas roof is going through the roof!!!(sorry...that sounds like Mooseketman don't it?)
 
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TS is right. The Baker dates to WWI (1914-1918) as a cook tent.(plus they take as much rigging to set up as a marquis) The one pole tent (hunter or pyrimid tent) is only good to the 1850 era. You will not be allowed to use these designs at historic sites that jury participants. That is why you find so many of them up for trade at good prices. Stick with a wall tent or wedge design. They are good back to the cave man era.
 
actually they are much older than wwI. documentation to at least mid-1800's in northeast. generic half tent lean-to types date back in europe to at least 1500's and are also noted in egypt pre-christ. lean-to's are some of the oldest forms of shelters man has probably ever made. they may not be p. c. for the areas covered by historically based events, but they are definately primitive(primal in design) and ubiquitous and reach back far in time.

the name probably does not refer to a "cook tent" but rather to their resemblance in shape to the old reflector ovens used around open fires. i am not a re-enactor, but do love old and well designed things that work well. my baker fills that bill quite adequately.

take care, daniel
 
Baker tents were TO&E for units designated to furnish bread to the troops, hence the term "baker" tent. Named after the action, not a person named Baker. Being half of a wall tent, they tend to combine the worst fratures of a wall tent(dificulty of set up) with the worst features of a lean too (roof slope intruding on every movement inside the tent). They may have been around since God was a kid, but no one wrote anything about them or drew any pictures of them in an ancient, middle ages, renasance or colonial exploration camps, while they do show plenty of wedge tents, wall tents and various shapes of pavilions and marquis.
The square pyramid one pole we can only document back to the gold rush (1848) with certainty. Pitty too, since it is my favorite style.
 
the name baker predates ww1. thoreau in walden mentions them. publish date 1853. not only do they resemble in shape the "baker oven" i mentioned, but they also function on that order with a fire on those crisp northern nights. after some of those nights thoreau was pining to have one himself.

take care, daniel
 
Any of you on here ever make your own Diamond out of a Painter's Tarp?
With my shoesting budget, looks like I may have to try this. I am figuring a 12x12 will do for know.
I can get a 12x15 at Lowes for around $35. 10oz. canvas.
A fellow skinner said he used Johnson's Paste wax rubbed in to do the waterproofing on the one he made.
 
I have a 12x12 that was made for a floor for a 12x12 pyramid
but makes an excellent diamond shelter. :winking:
 
Being the cheap skinner that I am, and my wife don't give me a very big allowance. I bought a painters tarp at Lowes and made a diamond. it is about 11'6" x 11'6" it works pretty good in the back yard. Haven't field tested it yet. Taken a few pictures and will post them as soon as I figure out how too. Will be testing it this week end though. Will let ya'll know how it turns out. Will take some more pictures of it in the field testing stages.

Iffin you would like the pictures of my diamond please email me at [email protected]
 
Have done this several times with varried success, based on the weight of the canvas in the tarp. 8 oz. is too light and lose weave to shed water, no matter how much waterproofing you apply (allows a mist to spray through the weave even in light rain). 10 & 12 oz canvas will shed water if you apply a waterproofing agent in addition to what's already in the fabric. Lowes water-seal works well(what they sell for sealing decks and porches).

For real waterproofing go to a 50/50 mixture of linseed oil and mineral spirits. Hang the tarp and paint the mix on, then let it dry in the air for a day or two. This is the PC way to waterproof the fabic and it works well, you can even add color to the mix (yes they did that back then).

I have seen instructions for using bees' wax and parrifin, melting them into the fabric with hot irons. It's still going to cool, harden and crack. I can't imagine it being as good as the linseed method, or as easy. Sounds like a good way to ruin an iron!

For a less PC method, try exterior acrillic paint in a historic shade. The good grades remain flexable enough to last for several uses before flaking, and repainting is a simple process. In spite of all their PC talk, a lot of the re-enactors at the major historic sites use arcrillic paint on their canvas while poo-pooing other peoples' gear. Stick with brown, rust red or dull yellow, these are all historic colors.

I have seen properly set up diamond shelters maintain a 50- 70 degree temp when the outside air was in the 20 degree range (small fire and a reflector, straw around the base).

How big were the origional diamond shelters, are they PC? Who Knows! Who gives a rat's A$$(and I'm a thread counter!). They had a cover on every pack saddle in the string! That's what a diamond shelter represents, a wagon or packsaddle cover!!! They might not have been exactly square, but they made good shelters. If you want to be totally PC limit your camp gear to what you could have carried on one horse wraped in the pack cover you use as a shelter!

Your improvised shelter is more historically accurate, and WAAAY cheaper than a hunter tent or baker and will jury in at any historic site in the nation. I have slept through many heavy rains in a good diamond. Right now I own two wall tents, three wedges, a 10X10 one pole and still keep 12X12, 10X10 and 8X8 diamond shelters on hand as well as assorted tarps of other sizes. You never have enough knives, guns or tents. I reciently had to clothe and shelter 25 visitors to a PC wedding, and didn't have to buy a single item!

Don't consider your shoe string budgets a hinderance, but a reality of the frontier. Most of our ancestors were not well off and had to make do with what was available. Research what they had and how they used it. Remember, there were 100 Leman and Henry trade guns for every Hawkin, and a thousand smoothbore trade guns for every Dickert or Rupp. Their hand made knives usually looked like pieces of manure,not works of art, and manufactured butcher knives were imported by the hundred gross!
 
Now you went and done it. I went to Sherwin-Williams and they had 12 x 15 painters canvas's in 12 oz. for 42.00. I got one and it is at a friends house getting stitched up with loops for the stakes and ropes. Wife said I should really like livin' there :boohoo:
 
Manyplews, coincedentally I am going out today to get a painters tarp to make a pyramid tent. My calculations figure I'll need a 9'x25' tarp, if they have any... The tent would have a slit door in back and a teepee door on front, twelve stake loops, ties for both doors, and a reinforced peak. It will be small but enough: 7' at peak and 7'x7' floor. I'm not sure I'll have enough to double layer the floor though.

I've been told by several persons that it's good to have two openings on these tents for ventilation on hot days and to cut back on condensation. My current tent is a diamond fly that covers about a 7'x6'x6' ground space, so this will be a step up for me! I'll probably still use the fly in nice weather or when I'm by myself and save the diamond for when my family comes with me.

good luck. I'm probably going for the lighter wieght canvas because of the size, I'll let you know well it goes!

"I think I never saw people enjoy a discharge of grape before, but we really felt pleased to see the enemy make an appearance and hear the grape rattle about the commander-in-chief's ears after he had accused the battalion of having run away from a scouting party." British officer at the battle of Germantown, Oct. 4,1777. Page 280 of "Rebels and Redcoats by G. Scheer and H. Rankin. :eek:

Ashelocoa
 
there was a lot of action on this string a week or so ago and I was wondering if anybody got a tent built and had it rained on yet!! We got to keep up with these things and see what works for who. Somebody turn on the hose pipe and see if anything leaks!!! You got to wet down that canvas before it will seal good!!
 
Got inspired and went out and bought a 12x9 medium weight painters canvas and a mess of linseed oil and mineral spirits- supposed to be nice this weekend so I'll get busy and let you know how it turns out!

I'm putting togther an outfit for a 3 day hunt in the Adirondacks this fall. I'll call it a "trip" rather than a trek- wouldn't want to offend anyone...
 
Call it a trek if you want too hodge. nobody really cares. We just get bored and start stuff with each other to keep our brains rattleing. Opinions are like a%^ &#$*s, everybody has one. I trekked in primitive gear on the southern AT in 2001. Wish I could do a short hike in the Adorondiaks. Never been up there.
 
I'm curious about the one-pole tents. I've heard that the square ones only date to about 1850, but what about the more round(ish) ones? The one I have is roughly round in shape, but seems to be slightly different each time I set it up lol (operator error?) It has a large opening at the top front, that is covered with a hood in cold or wet weather. Any ideas on dating this?
Jonna
 
Sounds like you have a simple one pole tent that has been modified to resemble a tee-pee. There are a rash of different styles out there, some are the products of very clever minds, but are not "accepted" as historically acurate.

Some will argue over the documentability (is that a word?) of their shelters but the fact remains that the historic sites will not allow anything but wedges, wall tents, marquis and improvised shelters. No hunter tents, no one pole tents, no Baker tents, nothing that resembles a tee-pee.

Some folks just say they will not attend events that have restrictions, but more and more of the pre-1840 camps, in the east, are now restricting the type of equipment allowed at their events. They attempt to weed out the historic inaccuracies slowly. Most of the clubs from the Ohio River south do not allow percussion guns in their matches. One year they will say "no long fringe on the buckskins", the next year "no buckskins", the next year "no tee-pees", after that "no one pole tents". Blue Lick State Park, KY, began with the clothing requirements during the battle reenactment several years back, last year they would not allow percussion guns in the reenactment, this year several people have been contacted and asked not to bring the tee-pees they normally use.

I am not saying this is good or bad, only that more and more sites and clubs are making the call for more restrictive rules and more control of the actual history portrayed at their events. The line between historic site events and Club events is blurring with more people doing both areas, setting up their equipment for the more restrictive regulations, and using it at both. This may be due to more restrictions on land use in the "crowded east" and the death of many clubs.

The real diference being that it is easier to "cheat" with comfort items at the pre-1840 events (air beds, kerosene lamps, sleeping bags, coolers).
 
I am not saying this is good or bad, only that more and more sites and clubs are making the call for more restrictive rules and more control of the actual history portrayed at their events.

We've seen this trend in movies as well. More and more productions are striving for historical accuracy. I think this is a good thing.

But, as you say, many "casual" rendezvous allow a lot of latitude in their rules and I think that is good as well. Everybody has to start somewhere. And if you have no desire to work beyond the casual events, there will still be events you can attend and have a good time.
 

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