I feel the reenacting of historical events are one thing where you should try to remain period correct if on the actual grounds this event took place... Don't have a problem with that at all... Fur trade rendezvous on the other hand is different... Follow the rules that are given... Some take it more serious then others, and some simply can't afford the cost to outfit their entire family year after year especially when they're kids are constantly growing out of their outfits... Take away the latitude that is allowed at an annual rendezvous and you'd probably lose 90% of your participants, and future participants... I'm not willing to give up the friendships my family and I have made with so many buckskinners over the years just for the sake of being completely period correct just because someone is finger pointing that he or she is not following the rules... That's why we have Dog Soldier's, to make sure folk are keeping modern items out of sight, and the camp rules are being followed... Pitch your one pole tent next to our wall tent, your welcome at our campfire... Guess I'd have to kick the wife and kids out'a camp if you weren't... We're not indians, nor are we missionaries... We do enjoy a cold beer in a tin cup however... (The wife and I, not the kids) :no:
-
Friends, our 2nd Amendment rights are always under attack and the NRA has been a constant for decades in helping fight that fight.
We have partnered with the NRA to offer you a discount on membership and Muzzleloading Forum gets a small percentage too of each membership, so you are supporting both the NRA and us.
Use this link to sign up please; https://membership.nra.org/recruiters/join/XR045103
Help Support Muzzleloading Forum:
Guest
Joe, your attitude and hospitality is the reason most folks participate in this activity. How many times I have spoken to a stranger and parted an hour latter from a new friend?
After 20 years I seldom enter a camp where I don't know someone. If there are not any familiar faces there will be new friens before nightfall. When I brough my "new" wife to the southeastern this spring, from Ohio, I found out that she already knew half of my camping friends from scattered points through out the south.
They offered her their sincere sympathy when they found she had married such a scoundrel as me.
After 20 years I seldom enter a camp where I don't know someone. If there are not any familiar faces there will be new friens before nightfall. When I brough my "new" wife to the southeastern this spring, from Ohio, I found out that she already knew half of my camping friends from scattered points through out the south.
They offered her their sincere sympathy when they found she had married such a scoundrel as me.
Scoundrel? I don't believe that. Passionate about history, yes, and you are to be commended for that, ghost... The fur trade rendezvous have taken on a more family social gathering with a fur trade theme rather then an actual historical event, and I think that's what has kept many going for all these years... There's nothing like going to Ft. Laramie, (WY) and watching the 'American Mountain Men' reenact an historical event. My hat's off to you guys who take the time to do these things... :applause:
Just Jonna
32 Cal.
- Joined
- Jun 6, 2004
- Messages
- 13
- Reaction score
- 0
you guys are just awesome! I feel like I can ask any greenhorn question, and get honest, friendly answers. 
So here's the next question:
About the wall tents. I thought they didn't come into play until 1860's or so as a military tent. What's the scoop on those?
And the next question:
Although a diamond would obviously be the easiest to make at home, it doesn't really offer much privacy. Being girls, we like our privacy. (Not too mention that since husband doesn't come with us, he likes our privacy too.) So I'm thinking about making a wedge. I know that a wedge requires a ridge pole and two uprights; one on either end. Does it need any other poles? I am assuming not, that you just stake down both sides. How do you attach the poles together at the top? If I used very primitive cut poles, could they just be lashed together? Does it HAVE to have grommets and all that? And can it be set up by two short people? (that's the beauty of a one pole. two short people can still set it up) We need something that we can handle on our own. I really don't want to resort to batting my eyelashes at some mountain man in order to get my tent set up! LOL :haha:
Brain is curling up now...
Jonna
So here's the next question:
About the wall tents. I thought they didn't come into play until 1860's or so as a military tent. What's the scoop on those?
And the next question:
Although a diamond would obviously be the easiest to make at home, it doesn't really offer much privacy. Being girls, we like our privacy. (Not too mention that since husband doesn't come with us, he likes our privacy too.) So I'm thinking about making a wedge. I know that a wedge requires a ridge pole and two uprights; one on either end. Does it need any other poles? I am assuming not, that you just stake down both sides. How do you attach the poles together at the top? If I used very primitive cut poles, could they just be lashed together? Does it HAVE to have grommets and all that? And can it be set up by two short people? (that's the beauty of a one pole. two short people can still set it up) We need something that we can handle on our own. I really don't want to resort to batting my eyelashes at some mountain man in order to get my tent set up! LOL :haha:
Brain is curling up now...
Jonna
Guest
Wall tents, marquis and wedge tents date back to the ancient greeks. Any size or material you can imagine. Alexander the Great faced a mutney in Persia when he ordered his men to abandon their sheepskin wedges.
To start off you should go with a wedge tent. (I have two wall tents and three wedges) To accomodate yourself and your daugnter I recomend a "medium" wedge. 7' tall, 8'wide, 9' long. This is large enough to stand in, move around some (as in changing clothes), lay out your bedding and still have room to store all the "girl stuff" in the back. Two women can set this tent up with ease (10 minutes, with practice). This tent will allow you to attend any event any where in the U.S. without worry over PC. You will need metal gromets in the top (no one will see them there), and you will need the "sod cloth" around the edges. The sod cloth is not correct for military tents but insist on it anyway, you will be glad it is there on cold windy nights. You will want overlapping door closures also (comfort and privacy).
I sugest you stick with a name brand maker and order direct from the mfg., not from someone at an event with a little sign that says they are a dealer. The makers will deal direct. Panther will send you a catalogue and take your order by phone or on line. I got one of mine from Blockade Runners in Bell Buckle TN and was able to specify the size to the inch with any modifications desired, exact location of the gromets, etc. Price was reasonable too, $275.
You will need only two uprights and a ridge pole. Pins in the top of the uprights usually go into holes drilled in the ridge pole, then through the gromets at the top of the tent. That's the easiest and most common set up. You can make them yourself with only a hand saw, hacksaw, electric drill and hammer. The Panther catalogue has instructions and drawings (has all kinds of other neat stuff as well as tents). The tension of the stakes at the bottom holds the walls upright.
You may decide that you want a wall tent or some other style latter. If you do, the medium wedge makes a nice "extra" tent. Someone will buy it at a reasonable price if you should decide to sell it. You will get your money's worth out of it.
My wife and her sister used a 12x14 wall tent, transported and set it up alone (neither are "big women") before I came along. That is a lot of tent! You and your daughter should have no trouble with a wedge tent, splitting firewood will be the real test. You will need at least one indentured servant for that purpose alone, and possibly for hauling water!
Look around, get some catalogues, check out some tents at events, watch some people set up and tear down their camps before you make a decision and spend your hard earned money. You are talking $250 minimum for tent, stakes and poles. Shop around, stand inside someones tent and move around some. Feel some fabric. Check some seams and listen for who got wet in the big storm. You will be spending 1/3 of your camp time in the tent, make sure you get what you need and want.
Oh yes, you will want an awning also! It will not be an immidiate need but you will want one. If you get the Med wedge the awning should be at least 8x16. This allows one to drop the sides of the awning to the ground and extend the line of the ridge and walls during bad weather, drop one side to block the sun/wind, sleep an additional person. Double the size of your wedge as well as provide shade in good weather.
To start off you should go with a wedge tent. (I have two wall tents and three wedges) To accomodate yourself and your daugnter I recomend a "medium" wedge. 7' tall, 8'wide, 9' long. This is large enough to stand in, move around some (as in changing clothes), lay out your bedding and still have room to store all the "girl stuff" in the back. Two women can set this tent up with ease (10 minutes, with practice). This tent will allow you to attend any event any where in the U.S. without worry over PC. You will need metal gromets in the top (no one will see them there), and you will need the "sod cloth" around the edges. The sod cloth is not correct for military tents but insist on it anyway, you will be glad it is there on cold windy nights. You will want overlapping door closures also (comfort and privacy).
I sugest you stick with a name brand maker and order direct from the mfg., not from someone at an event with a little sign that says they are a dealer. The makers will deal direct. Panther will send you a catalogue and take your order by phone or on line. I got one of mine from Blockade Runners in Bell Buckle TN and was able to specify the size to the inch with any modifications desired, exact location of the gromets, etc. Price was reasonable too, $275.
You will need only two uprights and a ridge pole. Pins in the top of the uprights usually go into holes drilled in the ridge pole, then through the gromets at the top of the tent. That's the easiest and most common set up. You can make them yourself with only a hand saw, hacksaw, electric drill and hammer. The Panther catalogue has instructions and drawings (has all kinds of other neat stuff as well as tents). The tension of the stakes at the bottom holds the walls upright.
You may decide that you want a wall tent or some other style latter. If you do, the medium wedge makes a nice "extra" tent. Someone will buy it at a reasonable price if you should decide to sell it. You will get your money's worth out of it.
My wife and her sister used a 12x14 wall tent, transported and set it up alone (neither are "big women") before I came along. That is a lot of tent! You and your daughter should have no trouble with a wedge tent, splitting firewood will be the real test. You will need at least one indentured servant for that purpose alone, and possibly for hauling water!
Look around, get some catalogues, check out some tents at events, watch some people set up and tear down their camps before you make a decision and spend your hard earned money. You are talking $250 minimum for tent, stakes and poles. Shop around, stand inside someones tent and move around some. Feel some fabric. Check some seams and listen for who got wet in the big storm. You will be spending 1/3 of your camp time in the tent, make sure you get what you need and want.
Oh yes, you will want an awning also! It will not be an immidiate need but you will want one. If you get the Med wedge the awning should be at least 8x16. This allows one to drop the sides of the awning to the ground and extend the line of the ridge and walls during bad weather, drop one side to block the sun/wind, sleep an additional person. Double the size of your wedge as well as provide shade in good weather.
Guest
Hi all
Here is a neat link on PC tents it has some good info
www.tentsmiths.com
just thought I would throw this in
KNO3CS
Here is a neat link on PC tents it has some good info
www.tentsmiths.com
just thought I would throw this in
KNO3CS
Guest
Ifit's a conical one pole tent w/ short lil straight walls it's PROBABLY an Indian Wars Era SIBLEY tent, A.K.A. "white mans F------D Up TeePee".. Really they ain't so bad if ya use the Sibley stove in it....
Kenney Moore
40 Cal.
- Joined
- Aug 15, 2004
- Messages
- 103
- Reaction score
- 0
Howdy,
It all depends on what the rendezvous is being put on for. If the event is being put on for a money maker for the site, the number of restrictions need to be a little more relaxed. The organizers of the event have the task of making decisions for the betterment of the camp as a whole. If a limitation on tentage, dress, items used, etc. is necessary for the portrail of a certain point in history or you only want a select group on site, this needs to be stated up front so everyone knows the rules up front and they do not get hit with a surprise at the event. Certain guidelines have to be in place to keep modern tentage, coleman stoves and lanterns, etc. out of a primitive camping area.
:m2c:
It all depends on what the rendezvous is being put on for. If the event is being put on for a money maker for the site, the number of restrictions need to be a little more relaxed. The organizers of the event have the task of making decisions for the betterment of the camp as a whole. If a limitation on tentage, dress, items used, etc. is necessary for the portrail of a certain point in history or you only want a select group on site, this needs to be stated up front so everyone knows the rules up front and they do not get hit with a surprise at the event. Certain guidelines have to be in place to keep modern tentage, coleman stoves and lanterns, etc. out of a primitive camping area.
:m2c:
Kenney Moore
40 Cal.
- Joined
- Aug 15, 2004
- Messages
- 103
- Reaction score
- 0
Howdy,
Along the lines of tentage, Ghost has a good idea as far as the wedge. At Tentsmith, they have what is known as a "Museum Wedge." It is a good buy for the money. It has a bell back for gear storage, sod cloth is necessary and it is an extra cost, floor available that follows the footprint of the tent for an extra cost, and you can have a rear door put in the bell for a extra charge. I definately think you should plan on getting the fly at the time of purchase of the tent. The first time it rains you will see the reason you should have bought it. By the way, get the fly as large as you can afford. There are 2 reasons for this. One is that you should allow at least a one panel overlap for the fly over the tent to keep the weather from coming in on your tent front and you will find you'll be spending the most of your time under it a a short time in the tent. www.tentsmith.com
I have 4 friends who have the museum wedge setups and do not want anything else. I have a marquee, a wall tent with an oversize fly, both from Tentsmith and a wall tent and a one pole, both from Panther. The one pole is only used for a quick overnight and not at a period correct event.
Hope this helps and is not to confusing. Feel free to ask me questions. We are all in this together and when everyone pulls together, it is good for the sport.
Along the lines of tentage, Ghost has a good idea as far as the wedge. At Tentsmith, they have what is known as a "Museum Wedge." It is a good buy for the money. It has a bell back for gear storage, sod cloth is necessary and it is an extra cost, floor available that follows the footprint of the tent for an extra cost, and you can have a rear door put in the bell for a extra charge. I definately think you should plan on getting the fly at the time of purchase of the tent. The first time it rains you will see the reason you should have bought it. By the way, get the fly as large as you can afford. There are 2 reasons for this. One is that you should allow at least a one panel overlap for the fly over the tent to keep the weather from coming in on your tent front and you will find you'll be spending the most of your time under it a a short time in the tent. www.tentsmith.com
I have 4 friends who have the museum wedge setups and do not want anything else. I have a marquee, a wall tent with an oversize fly, both from Tentsmith and a wall tent and a one pole, both from Panther. The one pole is only used for a quick overnight and not at a period correct event.
Hope this helps and is not to confusing. Feel free to ask me questions. We are all in this together and when everyone pulls together, it is good for the sport.
Similar threads
