Testing new brand of black powder

[cynthialee]

At the very top of the list for things I intensely dislike are insurance companies.

followed closely by lawyers

 

[IanH]

I'd still like to to know what the volume/density of this 2Fg is. That would indicate if they need to work on their ingredients or their process.

 

[hawkeye2]

Insurance costs may have something to do with it but the real issue is that to sell black powder one must have a Federal explosives license and meet all the government storage regulations. With that license goes regular inspections of the physical storage and all the related business paperwork by the BATF. I have a friend who is a distributor and he had a recent inspection. He was away on business and his wife was working at her job elsewhere when they arrived. They (2 agents) told him they would be waiting till someone got there which was going to be late in the afternoon. True to their word they were still there when he got home very late that afternoon and they conducted a complete inspection finishing up in the evening. No small or even larger stores are going to go through all that to sell a few hundred pounds of powder, if that much, when they can have a much better return on their money selling Glocks and AR15s.

 

[Jim K]

I’ll be going through Phillipsburg probably in a month or so. I’ll stop and pick up some and give it a try. I hope I like it. Phillipsburg is on the way to a camp I used to hunt out of.

 

[Jim K]

And certainly close enough just to make a powder run. About an hour and three quarter from home.

 

[Jim K]

Just got on their website. They only list 2f. Hopefully they’ll have 3 f at some point.

 

[Piquant]

I wanna make some.

Did you receive the pms I sent you with the pictures?

 

[le125verne]

At the very top of the list for things I intensely dislike are insurance companies.

Agreed! They take you money yearly for years. Then, you make one claim and "waddaukno", you are no longer insured. OR, your cost of the same insurance increases exponentially!

 

[le125verne]

Bought a pound of "American Pioneer Powder" in fffg, in Gold form (replacement for Jim Shockey's 'TM' gold. The label says it contains no sulfur. I will be firing it in my flintlock rifle. Will have to wait till the 85 plus degree weather passes.

 

[NorthFork]

Bought a pound of "American Pioneer Powder" in fffg, in Gold form (replacement for Jim Shockey's 'TM' gold. The label says it contains no sulfur. I will be firing it in my flintlock rifle. Will have to wait till the 85 plus degree weather passes.

I will be 100% dumbfounded if that works. I'm not a betting man, but I may be inclined to bet money on this NOT working at all!

 

[BoomStick]

I will be 100% dumbfounded if that works. I'm not a betting man, but I may be inclined to bet money on this NOT working at all!

100% agree...The substitutes don't work reliably in a flintlock. At best, with generous pan powder, you get a fuse effect and long hangfire.

 

[BoomStick]

@brewyak question to the OP...was your testing in flint or percussion guns?

 

[IanH]

Bought a pound of "American Pioneer Powder" in fffg, in Gold form (replacement for Jim Shockey's 'TM' gold. The label says it contains no sulfur. I will be firing it in my flintlock rifle. Will have to wait till the 85 plus degree weather passes.

Ya never know until you try it yourself, then you KNOW. My prediction is it will work, most of the time, with a good lock and flint, with a full two-second hang fire.

 

[Yewbender]

Boomstick, hopefully he’ll reply to your question. I shot with him in 2022 and he had a flintlock.

 

[Tumbledown]

This thread is from when the powder was in development. PA making BP

 

[Jim K]

I pm’d the owner asking if he would be making 3f as his website only listed 2f. He returned my pm and said they had 2,3&4F. I’m pretty sure it’s black powder. I never heard of substitute 4f. Anywho, I’ll probably be in his store in a month or so and find out.

 

[brewyak]

Have you had a chance to compare the weight to volume of this new powder to another commercial powder? Or just throw a volume charge into a scale and weigh it?

I haven’t weighed it. Just volume

 

[brewyak]

I pm’d the owner asking if he would be making 3f as his website only listed 2f. He returned my pm and said they had 2,3&4F. I’m pretty sure it’s black powder. I never heard of substitute 4f. Anywho, I’ll probably be in his store in a month or so and find out.

He does have 3f when I bought my pound of 2 I also bought some 3 f for a friend. We tested it out the same day

@brewyak question to the OP...was your testing in flint or percussion guns?

sorry just seen this. Was testing with my flintlock. cabin creek colonial VA rifle

 

[brewyak]

I still have my doubts if it is not a play on words, perhaps to make one think it is real BP. I would bet it is either a sub, or a very low class of the original product. The shops around my area that don't carry the real BP says it's because of the regulations on storage. Let's be realistic with this explosive stuff, if you do a bit of research, it is not really hard to make an explosive for nefarious reasons that is a lot better than BP if one was so inclined.

It is real black powder

 

[BoomStick]

Was testing with my flintlock. cabin creek colonial VA rifle

That's good to know, thanks!