I like "skychiefs load" and reasoning. I also like the small book I just read by V.M. Starr. I will experiment with both mens' methods, keep my targets, record exactly what I did-range-etc., and make a final decision after a very long spell of pondering about the pro's and con's about each. No doubt, this book is a great read, took me an half hour or so, and was a good read, not boring at all. Lots of information to consider before even starting. If you shoot a shotgun or smooth bore, I believe it is worth your time to read. Thank God for all of you gents, and the Net! Without you all and the net, I would be a lost soul. But tomorrow, I have around 80 cushion wads soaked in olive oil, in a sandwich bag, ready for the hunt!