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Thoughts on Guns for the Working Man
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Mr. Stophel,
We also tend to use the term "weapon" rather than "gun", to identify that which we are using. In our particular circumstance, that is what we are using it for, a weapon.
Though they are often things of beauty in the eye of the beholder, ours deal in death and destruction. Whether it is merely the destruction of a tin can or the killing something to eat, for us, it is most certainly a weapon.
This is only my opinion and nothing more.
I mean no offense to yourself and you are most certainly entitled to call it what ever you wish. Without a doubt, there are many others who feel as you do.
Best Wishes
P.S. Yes, I am military. :v
It is not my intention to hijack the thread but merely offer a different opinion, regarding the matter. The moderators are certainly free to delete the above if they feel it inappropriate.
We also tend to use the term "weapon" rather than "gun", to identify that which we are using. In our particular circumstance, that is what we are using it for, a weapon.
Though they are often things of beauty in the eye of the beholder, ours deal in death and destruction. Whether it is merely the destruction of a tin can or the killing something to eat, for us, it is most certainly a weapon.
This is only my opinion and nothing more.
I mean no offense to yourself and you are most certainly entitled to call it what ever you wish. Without a doubt, there are many others who feel as you do.
Best Wishes
P.S. Yes, I am military. :v
It is not my intention to hijack the thread but merely offer a different opinion, regarding the matter. The moderators are certainly free to delete the above if they feel it inappropriate.
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Stophel said:
ff HA! That takes me back 40-some years. With appropriate gestures:"This is my rifle.
This is my gun.
This one's for work,
This one's for fun."
Those who've never been through basic training or boot camp may need to ask. I wonder if that goes back to muzzleloader days? Hmmm.... I have no idea what the ditty might be for female soldiers.
I apologize for the side track. :grin:
Joel
Kil---
Yes, you get get the Jacob Dickert rifle for $656:
http://www.trackofthewolf.com/cate...-PARTS-LIST-44-SWAMPED&KitId=KIT-AH-C-DICKERT
And they have a second version but it only goes to 50 cal for about the same money.
Beautiful.... er..... weapon....
Yes, you get get the Jacob Dickert rifle for $656:
http://www.trackofthewolf.com/cate...-PARTS-LIST-44-SWAMPED&KitId=KIT-AH-C-DICKERT
And they have a second version but it only goes to 50 cal for about the same money.
Beautiful.... er..... weapon....
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Here is the slightly shorter barreled version (42") and up to 50 cal but all for about $581....
http://www.trackofthewolf.com/Cate...PARTS-LIST-STRAIGHT&KitId=KIT-DKI-14-40-FLINT
Nice......er.....er.... weapon, there.
http://www.trackofthewolf.com/Cate...PARTS-LIST-STRAIGHT&KitId=KIT-DKI-14-40-FLINT
Nice......er.....er.... weapon, there.
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"Working man's gun"...just sent off a money order for $120 for a neglected new flintlock Deerhunter. That'll be a "house gun" that I can poney up the bucks for.
Gents,
My only experience with the military is two-years with the Museums Division of the Marine Corps Historical Foundation. And while I come from a long line of sailors and soldiers; I only make TV shows about such things.
I use weapon frequently, while also using gun, rifle, firearm, firestick, and bang-bang. As much to vary vocabulary, but I never forget that the intended purpose of any arm, no matter how appointed, is to put holes in things, man beast, or paper target.
My only experience with the military is two-years with the Museums Division of the Marine Corps Historical Foundation. And while I come from a long line of sailors and soldiers; I only make TV shows about such things.
I use weapon frequently, while also using gun, rifle, firearm, firestick, and bang-bang. As much to vary vocabulary, but I never forget that the intended purpose of any arm, no matter how appointed, is to put holes in things, man beast, or paper target.
Kilborn---
Indeed many of us share your propensity and joy for varying one's vernacular and to use colorful or even archaic terminology, or inventing a new way of saying the same old thing.
Innovative articulation... a big reason why some of us play around here.
ka-Boom.
Indeed many of us share your propensity and joy for varying one's vernacular and to use colorful or even archaic terminology, or inventing a new way of saying the same old thing.
Innovative articulation... a big reason why some of us play around here.
ka-Boom.
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The Dickert is a good choice for the time period you are after. I would place the average Dickert kit cica 1790. Things can be done to back date it a little or move it into the 19th century if you wish. For example I personally would have no problems with a later Dickert having a straight barrel and a smaller bore. It may not be true to an actual late Dickert but it is true to the era. Now for an earlier Dickert a swamped barrel with a larger bore is more correct. 50 caliber is a good middle ground.
Many other types are available to the time period, Like Armstrong, Beck, Gillespies and others.
Bore size has to do with two things large game and wild Indians. If you research you will find that while the deer skin trade and Indian war parties were in full swing in the east, rifle calibers tended to be larger. As the deer, buffalo and bear were killed off in the east and the Indians assimilated or moved west, calibers tended to get smaller for small game like rabbit and squirrel. Hence the rise of the shot gun as the southeastern gun of choice for generations. Larger calibers were not unknown in the Appalachians and were useful for hawg killins and the occasional bar hunt. Out west were the buffalo, grizzly, Comanche, Cheyenne and Sioux were to be encountered, calibers were larger like the earlier guns in the east.
The most important thing is research if you want a historically accurate piece. If you have the knowledge of whats right and what you want you can "contract out" your build.
For example you want a close copy of RCA # whatever. It is a possible Revolutionary Virginia piece with a simple domed patchbox, 46" swamped barrel in about .54 caliber with an English Daykin lock. It has simple but good carving. No known maker and no parts kit is available for this piece.
Step one find the components. You may ot find the exact item but many parts are close enough. The Daykin English lock is not reproduced but the early Ketland is which the Daykin was a copy. A barrel supplier like Getz, Rice or Colerain may have a 46" barrel available. A stock supplier has a blank long enough and a pattern that closely matches the original. early Lancaster is close enough.
Step 2 ... You have researched, compared and found parts that are as close as possible. You send the barrel to a stocker who has the blank and pattern to set or inlet your barrel and drill the ramrod. You then send the barrel off to have the lugs and sights installed.
Step 3... You find a builder or stocker to inlet the lock, butt plate triggers ect.
Step ... 4 You find another builder to shape and carve.
You may know of another builder who offers a PC finish you want so you send it to them for the final finish.
You act as the contractor it is done a little at a time and paid for along the way. It is defiantly your rifle as you were the main component in its creation. Doing this takes research and lots of contacts plus maybe a friendship or two.
Many other types are available to the time period, Like Armstrong, Beck, Gillespies and others.
Bore size has to do with two things large game and wild Indians. If you research you will find that while the deer skin trade and Indian war parties were in full swing in the east, rifle calibers tended to be larger. As the deer, buffalo and bear were killed off in the east and the Indians assimilated or moved west, calibers tended to get smaller for small game like rabbit and squirrel. Hence the rise of the shot gun as the southeastern gun of choice for generations. Larger calibers were not unknown in the Appalachians and were useful for hawg killins and the occasional bar hunt. Out west were the buffalo, grizzly, Comanche, Cheyenne and Sioux were to be encountered, calibers were larger like the earlier guns in the east.
The most important thing is research if you want a historically accurate piece. If you have the knowledge of whats right and what you want you can "contract out" your build.
For example you want a close copy of RCA # whatever. It is a possible Revolutionary Virginia piece with a simple domed patchbox, 46" swamped barrel in about .54 caliber with an English Daykin lock. It has simple but good carving. No known maker and no parts kit is available for this piece.
Step one find the components. You may ot find the exact item but many parts are close enough. The Daykin English lock is not reproduced but the early Ketland is which the Daykin was a copy. A barrel supplier like Getz, Rice or Colerain may have a 46" barrel available. A stock supplier has a blank long enough and a pattern that closely matches the original. early Lancaster is close enough.
Step 2 ... You have researched, compared and found parts that are as close as possible. You send the barrel to a stocker who has the blank and pattern to set or inlet your barrel and drill the ramrod. You then send the barrel off to have the lugs and sights installed.
Step 3... You find a builder or stocker to inlet the lock, butt plate triggers ect.
Step ... 4 You find another builder to shape and carve.
You may know of another builder who offers a PC finish you want so you send it to them for the final finish.
You act as the contractor it is done a little at a time and paid for along the way. It is defiantly your rifle as you were the main component in its creation. Doing this takes research and lots of contacts plus maybe a friendship or two.
Go to www.gunbroker.com they have a lot of flnters made by a lot of dif builders from all over and some time at a good price or track of the wolf
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Dickert's a good style. Going back to your original post, another style you might consider would be the Harper's Ferry 1803 rifle. 54 caliber, halfstock, patchbox, a lot of good things going for it. I have one of the early Italian ones in 58 caliber and even with all the things the Italians got wrong, I still like the rifle.
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The only thing about the Harper's Ferry 1803 rifle (parts set) is I hate the lock. It has to be the worst lock R.E.Davis makes and would say so if I had more experiance with their other locks but I haven't so I can't. You may get lucky but unless you have a good locksmith go all over it I can not recommend this lock. I have one on a 1792 Contract rifle and a 1803 Harpers with these locks and they are manure compared to my other locks and I have 4 different locks I'm dealing with on other guns that are ten times the lock this one is. I'm sure with a little tender care you can have a good funtioning lock, just making sure you know that in probability this lock will need work. :v
I had forgotten all about the kits available until I read your reply. I was thinking about the italian replicas. Maybe not 100% authentic but not too bad. But the kit has some good potential and tuning a lock is not all that hard.
On some of the better kits, this step is not necessary.StrawHat said:
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