First off this is my first rifle build. But I am interested in building either building the Tennessee Mountain Rifle from TOW or a Tennessee Classic Kit from Pecatonica River. I plan on taking my time with this and moving slowly. What I am wondering is what advise you all have and which kit is more quality as well as what drilling options are worth having them do for me thanks
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It's good to ask,,but there is TON'S of info in the archived back pages,, :wink:
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longcruise
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If you order from Track, you are most likely going to get a Pecatonica stock with it. Track gets many of their stocks from Pecatonica.
Twere me, I'd base my decision, at least in part, on who has the parts readily available in stock!
Twere me, I'd base my decision, at least in part, on who has the parts readily available in stock!
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ToTW is a great supplier of many muzzle loading and black powder items: reliable, prompt shipping, and you can tell if the item is in stock when ordering. They are very good at communicating the status of your order. I have purchased from them since they started in the 1970's, and generally well pleased.
If you live in MN, the state imposes a 6.875% sales tax, or more in you live in the large metro area, so you might spend another $50 to $80 buying a kit from ToTW. If you live in IL, its another 6.25% from Pecatonica.
If you don't live in either of these states, the sales tax is not an issue and both will do you well.
I like to support local businesses and continue to buy supplies and pay my state sales tax, but I admit on very large dollar purchases, avoiding the sales tax, even when paying S&H, is tempting.
If you live in MN, the state imposes a 6.875% sales tax, or more in you live in the large metro area, so you might spend another $50 to $80 buying a kit from ToTW. If you live in IL, its another 6.25% from Pecatonica.
If you don't live in either of these states, the sales tax is not an issue and both will do you well.
I like to support local businesses and continue to buy supplies and pay my state sales tax, but I admit on very large dollar purchases, avoiding the sales tax, even when paying S&H, is tempting.
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Make up your parts list and options you want add S&H. Pecatonica has it all over TOW.
All of the Pecatonica River pre-carved stocks have the barrel channel and the ramrod hole drilled unless you tell them not to.
They also have quite a bit of extra wood left on all of the surfaces so plan on removing it.
In other words, look at as many photos of rifles that are similar to the one you are building and compare it with the wood you have. Then remove any extra wood that doesn't match the slender look of the photos of the originals.
They also have quite a bit of extra wood left on all of the surfaces so plan on removing it.
In other words, look at as many photos of rifles that are similar to the one you are building and compare it with the wood you have. Then remove any extra wood that doesn't match the slender look of the photos of the originals.
Thats good advise I had also planned on buying some books to help me and do some pre reading along with recruiting advise from you all I think with that and taking my time I should be able to come out with a nice piece if not it will at least shoot and I can chalk it up as experience for the next one.
I live near Track (35 minutes) they don't do ANY inletting. They strickly buy from somebody and sell. When you walk in the small sales floor you can see the racks with stocks,(maybe 200-225pcs), all purchased for resale.
Oh they might do something if a stock comes in with a fixable flaw, those guys do know their stuff and are builders themselves, But the company, Track of the Wolf, does not "make" stocks.
They have a total of 5 maybe 6 employees, they sub-out the gunsmith and other services, it's contract work.
Oh they might do something if a stock comes in with a fixable flaw, those guys do know their stuff and are builders themselves, But the company, Track of the Wolf, does not "make" stocks.
They have a total of 5 maybe 6 employees, they sub-out the gunsmith and other services, it's contract work.
And rumor has it that they buy most of their pre-carved stocks from Pecatonica River.
It wouldn't surprise me to find they also use PR for the machine work they offer on the barrels. :hmm:
It wouldn't surprise me to find they also use PR for the machine work they offer on the barrels. :hmm:
ah ha very interesting and good to know. Ive been more interested in the Pecatonica River kit and think it will be a good choice. Ive also been reading opinions of other members on here of Pecatonica River and it seems to have a good reputation for quality and customer service. I am also trying to figure out how fancy of wood I want to order for the stock. Im thinking the extra fancy Maple. Is this work the extra cost? or should I get something plainer since this is my first rifle?
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Zonie is a fan of PR, and i'm sure he has good reason.
PR or Cabin is a tough decision.
PR or Cabin is a tough decision.
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Zonie said:
Not sure how much of a rumor it is, since there are only 2 or 3 major stock carvers that supply every muzzleloader parts retailer in the country.
The best advice is to call around and find out who has the parts you want in stock. That may mean getting the barrel from one place, stock from another, castings...etc. Whether you order from Track, Cabin, Pecatonica or others, they are getting their castings, barrels and locks from the same limited sources so you might have to search around a bit. Be a little flexible and you should find everything you need. Good luck.
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What Birddog6 says, and yes PR is one of the main suppliers of stock wood for TOW. My only concern with them is that not all the parts sets are correct for the gun you may want to build. Southern Mtn guns shouldn't have a german style lock, as an example. Don't just assume that a parts supplier is correct with their parts. That said Dick at Pecatonica makes good product, and is very helpful. You should order over the phone from whoever you get your parts set from, after doing some research on the style you want to build. Lyman's, T/C's, and Cabela's are kits, these are parts sets without instructions, but can be modified when you order.
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Everybody won't agree with what i'm about to say.
Cimarron sell Uberti guns. However, they're a bit nicer than the normal Uberti's. Cimarron pays extra for better fit and finish. They're also suppose to have better internal parts to. Better fit and heat treating. I always buy Cimmaron guns. They cost the same if bought from BuffaloArms who discounts them to normal Uberti prices.
My point is a manufacturer has different grades of the same product. Even if it's not intensional. Some products come out better than others. Especially, if you're talking about wood carvings.
This is leading up to PR stocks and TOW selling them. It's only human nature for PR to keep the top quality stocks for himself to sell directly to his customers. This doesn't all mean that the TOW stocks aren't quality stocks. PR wouldn't ship anything not up to his standards.
However, I believe getting a stock directly from PR will get you the top quality stocks.
That's why i'd buy from PR instead of from TOW. Even though they're basically the same stock.
Let the flaming begin. I've got skin like a Rhino.
Cimarron sell Uberti guns. However, they're a bit nicer than the normal Uberti's. Cimarron pays extra for better fit and finish. They're also suppose to have better internal parts to. Better fit and heat treating. I always buy Cimmaron guns. They cost the same if bought from BuffaloArms who discounts them to normal Uberti prices.
My point is a manufacturer has different grades of the same product. Even if it's not intensional. Some products come out better than others. Especially, if you're talking about wood carvings.
This is leading up to PR stocks and TOW selling them. It's only human nature for PR to keep the top quality stocks for himself to sell directly to his customers. This doesn't all mean that the TOW stocks aren't quality stocks. PR wouldn't ship anything not up to his standards.
However, I believe getting a stock directly from PR will get you the top quality stocks.
That's why i'd buy from PR instead of from TOW. Even though they're basically the same stock.
Let the flaming begin. I've got skin like a Rhino.
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Capper said:Everybody won't agree with what i'm about to say.
Cimarron sell Uberti guns. However, they're a bit nicer than the normal Uberti's. Cimarron pays extra for better fit and finish. They're also suppose to have better internal parts to. Better fit and heat treating. I always buy Cimmaron guns. They cost the same if bought from BuffaloArms who discounts them to normal Uberti prices.
My point is a manufacturer has different grades of the same product. Even if it's not intensional. Some products come out better than others. Especially, if you're talking about wood carvings.
This is leading up to PR stocks and TOW selling them. It's only human nature for PR to keep the top quality stocks for himself to sell directly to his customers. This doesn't all mean that the TOW stocks aren't quality stocks. PR wouldn't ship anything not up to his standards.
However, I believe getting a stock directly from PR will get you the top quality stocks.
That's why i'd buy from PR instead of from TOW. Even though they're basically the same stock.
Let the flaming begin. I've got skin like a Rhino.
Not to get off topic, but I always thought that Cimarron did their own work to improve the revolvers they sold, not just by buying better finished guns from Uberti. Much like how the Colt signature series revolvers were imported Uberti parts that were assembled and tuned in the US. I could be wrong though. Sorry everyone, just thinking out loud, back to the topic at hand.
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No, they get better guns directly from Uberti. One thing they do is the horrible looking antique finish. They don't have any gunsmiths working for them.
