Traditional muzzleloading on the wane?

[FishDFly]

"has this thread set a new record yet?"

Nope, not even close. Cannot remember how long the record is but it was about Hawken rifles. It was started by fw from Whitehouse, TX. He lived near me, interesting person.

 

[FishDFly]

"has this thread set a new record yet?"

Nope, not even close. Cannot remember how long the record is but it was about Hawken rifles. It was started by fw from Whitehouse, TX. He lived near me, interesting person.

 

[Sean Gadhar]

Don't you use Microsoft's Hotmail? Is Microsoft not anti-gun?

you are missing the obvious difference...I don't pay for hotmail, I'm using it for free...you on the other hand are actually paying a fee to use Paypal(or passing the cost onto those who pay for membership here).

Want to try again because I can play these games all day?

So how do you justify supporting the very people who want to take your right to own firearms away Claude?

You have to draw a line somewhere and apparently yours is a lot closer to having your firearms taken away than mine is.

Was it your understanding that because "I'm using it for free" that you are not supporting the very people who want to take your right to own firearms away?

Silly rabbit Hits aren't for free. Hotmail isn't altruistic in this. They sell there ad space based on the # of users they have (hence the "free") You use them, you see the page that has that ad, your "hit" and others like it are the reason if not the source of there income. You support them as surely with your actions as if you were to send them $. . . . .through paypal

 

[Brian6396]

Getting back to the original topic.
I just read a current thread where a member wanted to learn how to build a rifle using 1800s tools and methods. The very first reply advised using modern tools / methods since they are better than those used in the 1800s.

use new tools to build an old style tool, but new style tools are bad! :rotf:

 

[Sean Gadhar]

I just read a current thread where a member wanted to learn how to build a rifle using 1800s tools and methods.

Until I found this Forum, It never even occurred to me that there was a before sandpaper :redface: Not to mention how wood was smoothed without it.

Some of the craftsmanship I see here flat stuns me :shocked2: Would that I could. That I have made a few small items (knife scales, small leather goods, cordage)can be directly attributed to The fox fire books, this Forum, & the people on it.

 

[roundball]

I'll ask what's all of your solutions

Please do the following for us:

Post the specifics of YOUR solution here:

1) ____________________________________


Detail the effects YOUR solution has had that are greater than the effects we've seen from pro-actively supporting a national organization like the NRA here:

2)____________________________________

 

[Claude Mathis]

Don't you use Microsoft's Hotmail? Is Microsoft not anti-gun?

I know you think you are being clever trying to point out everybody's hypocrisy BUT you are missing the obvious difference...I don't pay for hotmail, I'm using it for free...you on the other hand are actually paying a fee to use Paypal(or passing the cost onto those who pay for membership here).

Want to try again because I can play these games all day?

So how do you justify supporting the very people who want to take your right to own firearms away Claude?

You have to draw a line somewhere and apparently yours is a lot closer to having your firearms taken away than mine is.

I see. Hotmail is free, so that's okay? Using this Forum is free, so that's okay? I see a pattern here. :wink:

Nothing is FREE. Someone pays for you. The price people pay for Hotmail and Gmail is the information they gather about you and sell to others.

If you really want to play this "game", then consider this. By my supporting PayPal, an anti-gun company, I must be anti-gun, and therefore you should not be using this Forum. Does that make sense according to your convictions?

 

[Sean Gadhar]

So again I'll ask what's all of your solutions, since I haven't heard anything suggested other than use Paypal and counter that by supporting the NRA? Please tell me that convenience doesn't run your lives, that you are actually willing to stand up for something.

Well if you had paid your $18 through paypal you would see what all I had done. . . . . . . :blah:

Come on You had to see that coming :idunno:

The thing is I don't disagree with you. I can't speak for others but I think many would say the same.

I would dearly love to be a black & white guy, God, fate, karma what ever you like keeps beating me with a gray club. I think my post may have just swatted you with it.

Are you helping more by NOT taking paypal at your shop? Or, would you help more if you did take paypal, reached many more people, made more $, keep guns in the hands of people who can't get to your shop, funneled more of your larger profits to pro gun groups. . . :idunno: heck if I know. I know I'll stand by you so long as the balance of your efforts are pro gun! Just as I will send in my $18 because I think having the Forum here where you can post is a good thing. A DAMN GOOD THING! and that paypal got .98 cents or what ever is a bad thing, a small bad thing.

As to what I do, I could coble together the letters to editors, elected officials, ect & the videos of me at protests, I don't want it to get out how much I spent on the recalls here in Colorado (I have a wife, I don't want to :stir: ).


I didn't eat oat meal for 20 years because of a show Quaker Oats sponsored, Now I eat them but I don't look to hard because I might find that the guys I get oats from might get them from Quaker But I am still going to back you, even if you eat there oats every day. It's all a balance.

All just IMO of course.

 

[galamb]

So are traditional muzzleloaders on the wane?

In the 9 pages here, so far, interest has been lost many times and gone off on some far reaching tangents.

As a foreigner I can not fully appreciate some of what is being tossed back and forth about your anti-gun lobby, who's involved or how it's funded or how a few cents from some transaction you initiate will restrict your rights as provided under your constitution.

I am blasted with US media. I watched the recent goings on where your government shut down. It seemed like they couldn't even decide on what shape of table to sit around to discuss the two, so diametrically different points of view, to come up with some solution to even the simplest of issues - much less something "actually important" .

Given that, AND living in a very restrictive gun environment, I guess I don't see how any amount of lobbying, at least at this point in history, could possibly result in somehow repealing your second amendment rights. And while the focus is on preventing that - if you feel you constantly have to defend your sport, that leaves little/no time to try and propagate it - which would make it far more difficult for the anti's to gain an audience.

(looking in from outside of the box)

 

[ApprenticeBuilder]

Was it your understanding that because "I'm using it for free" that you are not supporting the very people who want to take your right to own firearms away?

Silly rabbit Hits aren't for free. Hotmail isn't altruistic in this. They sell there ad space based on the # of users they have (hence the "free") You use them, you see the page that has that ad, your "hit" and others like it are the reason if not the source of there income. You support them as surely with your actions as if you were to send them $. . . . .through paypal

This is it exactly, everything is linked at this point, do you watch nascar? do you like Earnhardt Jr. do ya? just read that he is a e-bay/paypal fiend, buy watching and supporting him you support his activities, its a vicious cycle.

 

Was it your understanding that because "I'm using it for free" that you are not supporting the very people who want to take your right to own firearms away?

Silly rabbit Hits aren't for free. Hotmail isn't altruistic in this. They sell there ad space based on the # of users they have (hence the "free") You use them, you see the page that has that ad, your "hit" and others like it are the reason if not the source of there income. You support them as surely with your actions as if you were to send them $. . . . .through paypal

This is it exactly, everything is linked at this point, do you watch nascar? do you like Earnhardt Jr. do ya? just read that he is a e-bay/paypal fiend, buy watching and supporting him you support his activities, its a vicious cycle.

But CowboyCS watches it for FREE, so it's okay. :haha:

 

And I'm sure everyone on here that is anti-Paypal checks to see if all the actors and production crew (EVERYONE INVOLVED IN THE MAKING AND PRODUCTION OF THE FILM) are not anti-gun before paying to see a movie? What about the theater owner or the people working the snack bar? Or, the guy they buy their popcorn from?

Let's face it, we have to choose our battles and some choose to go with the it's "free" and easy guideline.

I use Paypal to promote guns.

 

[Sean Gadhar]

- if you feel you constantly have to defend your sport, that leaves little/no time to try and propagate it - which would make it far more difficult for the anti's to gain an audience.

(looking in from outside of the box)

:thumbsup: ....Take a kid shooting

 

[Sean Gadhar]

No forest, just a bunch of trees. really? . .Really?? :surrender:

 

[Claude Mathis]

BTW Claude as I said in my first post in this thread PayPal is only one of many reasons I won't support your forum financially, there are plenty of other reasons.

I understand. Support works both ways.

 

[roundball]

Again I'll ask what are the rest of you doing, what's your solution?

:rotf:
You just gave yourself away as I knew you would.
My 35 years of paying money to the NRA has done more good for all pro-gun people than you'll ever do.

YOU have NO solution !! If you did, with your attitude you'd be proud to post it...you'd put your money right where your mouth is...BUT...so far you got nothing BUT an attitude.

You can prove us all wrong of course...just post up YOUR solution and detail their benefits for us.

Please do the following for us:

Post the specifics of YOUR solution here:

1) ____________________________________


Detail the effects YOUR solution has had that are greater than the effects we've seen from pro-actively supporting a national organization like the NRA here:

2)___________________________________


But of course...we know you can't. :grin:

 

[Sean Gadhar]

it looks like the rest of you aren't doing anything except maybe throwing a few bucks at the NRA .

And if you haven't thrown a few bucks at the NRA yet this year, there is still time......
wait for it.................................it's easy they take paypal. :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf:

 

[roundball]

Its always amazing at how quiet it gets when you force someone to deal with facts instead of rhetoric, LOL

 

[ApprenticeBuilder]

Jack and Apprentice builder don't present any solution but make reference to TV/Nascar/theater

Not really,

I belong to a group that takes liberal grant monies and builds muzzleloaders and places them in county buildings such as Court House, Library, Chamber of Commerce, National Guard Armory, etc. We as a group set up at the fair grounds each year during county fair to promote the interest, set up in the park on the 4th of July etc. etc. I don't buy Levi's, I vote accordingly, and we take kids shooting.

I have no issues in using their money system against them.

Do you own a computer, pay for internet ?
:stir:

 

[Sean Gadhar]

One last shot at peace maker, I think at times in most of our lives we all get worked up, and we all get burnt out.

That CowboyCS is worked up is a fine thing, I have been unsuccessful at pointing his angst down range but so be it.

Heck from time to time, I've done a fare imitation of a cheep watch my own self.

CowboyCS this fight was being fought when we were both kids, and our kids will have to take it up. That your edge is keen at this moment dose not mean your the only one swinging an axe.

Calling into question the zeal of others on your side??? What was your goal in that? encouragement? Renewed fervor? pi**ing contests are for kids. I'm happy as can be your out there charging in. But the once a year pheasant or deer hunter with one 12 pump that sends his $20 to the NRA (most years) makes up about 75% of our side.

If your gona be this upset....& upsetting with the guys on your side, your going to be less affective. Is your goal to be the biggest bestest or is the goal that your great grand kids get to hunt & shoot?

If it is that they get to shoot, stop saying "If the NRA is your only answer then you are screwed because while they have slowed the march to disarmament they have done nothing to reverse it's course."

And try something like... Times are hard but If you have a few extra dollars, the RMGO have been fighting a hard fight in Colorado. They have helped Recall two Anti gun politicians, and caused a third to Resign. There work will send shock waves through Anti gun politicians everywhere, if you have an extera buck or two and you like what they are doing, you can help them in that work.:idunno:

Your statement V mine what helps the cause more??