Trying to identity a Davide Pedersoli

[99airforce]

I have a Davide pedersoli double barrel 12 ga, but I don't know the model number. When you separate the barrel, KG1 970 is stamped on the barrel.
I would just like to know the model

 

[necchi]

I never knew that there are different "model numbers" of the pedresoli double barrel 12 ga.
There are common links available for Pedersoli arms, I own some.
I have known and understand that if "double barrel" gun barrels are separated, that it is done with intention of full and licensed restoration.
Are you sharing with us that aspect?
Or bubba searching for glue?
Honest. I apologize,, but have you read the forum archives new guy?

 

[Notchy Bob]

Welcome to the forum, @99airforce !

I have a Davide pedersoli double barrel 12 ga, but I don't know the model number. When you separate the barrel, KG1 970 is stamped on the barrel.
I would just like to know the model

I don’t know much about different models of Pedersoli shotguns, but I’m pretty sure our friend is separating the barrels from the stock, not from each other.

Sir, if you can provide some dimensions, e.g. barrel length, and better yet some photos, including good images of the barrel stampings, we’ll be better able to help with identification.

Best regards,

Notchy Bob

 

[Lorne Johnson]

I don't believe that Pedersoli used model numbers, just names. There certainly are differences however, and the earlier production Doppietta were over a pound lighter than the current production (just under 6 pounds as opposed to about 7.25 lbs in 12 gauge). They were also shipped with various chokes, and sometimes stock dimensions, depending on the requirements of the importer. If you are interested in when your gun was actually manufactured, you can use the table below to figure that out.

Italian firearms date year of proof codes.

Italian Date Codes​
1945 = 1​	1967 = XXIII​	1989 = AU​
1946 = 2​	1968 = XXIV​	1990 = AZ​
1947 = 3​	1969 = XXV​	1991 = BA​
1948 = 4​	1970 = XXVI​	1992 = BB​
1949 = 5​	1971 = XX7​	1993 = BC​
1950 = 6​	1972 = XX8​	1994 = BD​
1951 = 7​	1973 = XX9​	1995 = BF​
1952 = 8​	1974= XXX​	1996 = BH​
1953 = 9​	1975 = AA​	1997 = BI​
1954 = X​	1976 = AB​	1998 = BL​
1955 = XI​	1977 = AC​	1999 = BM​
1956 = XII​	1978 = AD​	2000 = BN​
1957 = XIII​	1979 = AE​	2001 = BP​
1958 = XIV​	1980 = AF​	2002 = BS​
1959 = XV​	1981 = AH​	2003 = BT​
1960 = XVI​	1982 = AI​	2004 = BU​
1961 – XVII​	1983 = AL​	2005 = BZ​
1962 = XVIII​	1984 = AM​	2006 = CA​
1963 = XIX​	1985 = AN​	2007 = CB​
1964 = XX​	1986 = AP​	2008 = CC​
1965 = XXI​	1987 = AS​	2009 = CD​
1966 = XXII​	1988 = AT​	2010 = CF​
Prior to 1945 date codes were in Roman numerals and included the month and the last two numbers of the year, so January 1922 would be rendered IXXII.​

 

[Acohill1]

I don't believe that Pedersoli used model numbers, just names. There certainly are differences however, and the earlier production Doppietta were over a pound lighter than the current production (just under 6 pounds as opposed to about 7.25 lbs in 12 gauge). They were also shipped with various chokes, and sometimes stock dimensions, depending on the requirements of the importer. If you are interested in when your gun was actually manufactured, you can use the table below to figure that out.

Italian firearms date year of proof codes.

Italian Date Codes​
1945 = 1​	1967 = XXIII​	1989 = AU​
1946 = 2​	1968 = XXIV​	1990 = AZ​
1947 = 3​	1969 = XXV​	1991 = BA​
1948 = 4​	1970 = XXVI​	1992 = BB​
1949 = 5​	1971 = XX7​	1993 = BC​
1950 = 6​	1972 = XX8​	1994 = BD​
1951 = 7​	1973 = XX9​	1995 = BF​
1952 = 8​	1974= XXX​	1996 = BH​
1953 = 9​	1975 = AA​	1997 = BI​
1954 = X​	1976 = AB​	1998 = BL​
1955 = XI​	1977 = AC​	1999 = BM​
1956 = XII​	1978 = AD​	2000 = BN​
1957 = XIII​	1979 = AE​	2001 = BP​
1958 = XIV​	1980 = AF​	2002 = BS​
1959 = XV​	1981 = AH​	2003 = BT​
1960 = XVI​	1982 = AI​	2004 = BU​
1961 – XVII​	1983 = AL​	2005 = BZ​
1962 = XVIII​	1984 = AM​	2006 = CA​
1963 = XIX​	1985 = AN​	2007 = CB​
1964 = XX​	1986 = AP​	2008 = CC​
1965 = XXI​	1987 = AS​	2009 = CD​
1966 = XXII​	1988 = AT​	2010 = CF​
Prior to 1945 date codes were in Roman numerals and included the month and the last two numbers of the year, so January 1922 would be rendered IXXII.​

No he's not wrong I have the same on mine it says KG1 .250 no idea what it means tho

 

[mtman24]

Thank you very much Lorne Johnson. I have a doozy, Pedersoli which I got and have some trouble searching it's rarity. It has the browned double 12 gauge barrels and the stock is tiger maple. Gorgeous wood. Does anyone know more about these models. It is the XX.9 stamp which puts it in the 1973 year I believe. I was just wondering how many of these with the browned barrels were made. I'd really appreciate anyone's help here.

 

[mtman24]

I don't believe that Pedersoli used model numbers, just names. There certainly are differences however, and the earlier production Doppietta were over a pound lighter than the current production (just under 6 pounds as opposed to about 7.25 lbs in 12 gauge). They were also shipped with various chokes, and sometimes stock dimensions, depending on the requirements of the importer. If you are interested in when your gun was actually manufactured, you can use the table below to figure that out.

Italian firearms date year of proof codes.

Italian Date Codes​
1945 = 1​	1967 = XXIII​	1989 = AU​
1946 = 2​	1968 = XXIV​	1990 = AZ​
1947 = 3​	1969 = XXV​	1991 = BA​
1948 = 4​	1970 = XXVI​	1992 = BB​
1949 = 5​	1971 = XX7​	1993 = BC​
1950 = 6​	1972 = XX8​	1994 = BD​
1951 = 7​	1973 = XX9​	1995 = BF​
1952 = 8​	1974= XXX​	1996 = BH​
1953 = 9​	1975 = AA​	1997 = BI​
1954 = X​	1976 = AB​	1998 = BL​
1955 = XI​	1977 = AC​	1999 = BM​
1956 = XII​	1978 = AD​	2000 = BN​
1957 = XIII​	1979 = AE​	2001 = BP​
1958 = XIV​	1980 = AF​	2002 = BS​
1959 = XV​	1981 = AH​	2003 = BT​
1960 = XVI​	1982 = AI​	2004 = BU​
1961 – XVII​	1983 = AL​	2005 = BZ​
1962 = XVIII​	1984 = AM​	2006 = CA​
1963 = XIX​	1985 = AN​	2007 = CB​
1964 = XX​	1986 = AP​	2008 = CC​
1965 = XXI​	1987 = AS​	2009 = CD​
1966 = XXII​	1988 = AT​	2010 = CF​
Prior to 1945 date codes were in Roman numerals and included the month and the last two numbers of the year, so January 1922 would be rendered IXXII.​

Lorne I wonder if you know about the old Pedersoli that had the brown barrels and came with the Tiger Maple stocks? Barrels have the XX.9 which I guess puts it in 1973. I just wondered how many of those they made, it certainly must have cost more than the normal ones with the walnut. I'd appreciate any help sir

 

[Acohill1]

My sxs from them.is like 5.5lbs and it's got super thin barrels that actually mike closer to 13ga. Its also weird in that they have 0 choke at all.... tbh I'm not the biggest fan of the gun

 

[Rudyard]

Welcome to the forum, @99airforce !



I don’t know much about different models of Pedersoli shotguns, but I’m pretty sure our friend is separating the barrels from the stock, not from each other.

Sir, if you can provide some dimensions, e.g. barrel length, and better yet some photos, including good images of the barrel stampings, we’ll be better able to help with identification.

Best regards,

Notchy Bob

Notchy Bobs reply is sensible but I know nothing of these guns I did sell them but didn't look into the models Same with Navy Arms I don't rate either but Ime a crusty old purist .
Rudyard the crusty old purist

 

[Britsmoothy]

Thank you very much Lorne Johnson. I have a doozy, Pedersoli which I got and have some trouble searching it's rarity. It has the browned double 12 gauge barrels and the stock is tiger maple. Gorgeous wood. Does anyone know more about these models. It is the XX.9 stamp which puts it in the 1973 year I believe. I was just wondering how many of these with the browned barrels were made. I'd really appreciate anyone's help here.

That maybe walnut.

 

[Britsmoothy]

My sxs from them.is like 5.5lbs and it's got super thin barrels that actually mike closer to 13ga. Its also weird in that they have 0 choke at all.... tbh I'm not the biggest fan of the gun

As it happens I do a disposal service for unwanted light Pedersoli doubles.

The good news is it's totally free.
Just the usual postage fees apply.
Get in touch if you require this service.
Hava a good day.

 

[Britsmoothy]

Iirc the KG figure is a proof mark. KG per CM. Mandatory proofing is required in Europe and Britain.
Pedersoli do use model codes also and shotguns are usually an S followed by a three digit number.

 

[mtman24]

That maybe walnut.

No, I don't think so. I found a link of Pedersoli describing this sxs in the description to a tee, with the browned barrels and Tiger maple. This one I have is a Pedersoli (But made for Navy Arms.) That led me to try and find out how many were made for Navy, because the only difference is the Navy model doesn't have the cap box. Other than that, it's a dead ringer. Here's that link :https://italianfirearmsgroup.com/product/side-by-side-old-english-1850-c

 

[Britsmoothy]

No, I don't think so. I found a link of Pedersoli describing this sxs in the description to a tee, with the browned barrels and Tiger maple. This one I have is a Pedersoli (But made for Navy Arms.) That led me to try and find out how many were made for Navy, because the only difference is the Navy model doesn't have the cap box. Other than that, it's a dead ringer. Here's that link :https://italianfirearmsgroup.com/product/side-by-side-old-english-1850-c

Awesome, I didn't know they did some with a patchbox!

 

[mtman24]

Awesome, I didn't know they did some with a patchbox!

Neither did I until I realized that my barrels weren't rusted bluing, so I started looking into it, especially after my son, who knows a ton about woods, definitely said this was Tiger maple. I don't think they made a lot of them, that's why I'm trying to track all the info down.

 

[THBailey]

Just a suggestion:


Email Pedersoli with your guns serial number and general description. They will respond with the info they have on your gun. Very helpful and informative.

https://www.davide-pedersoli.com/en
Here is what they emailed me back:


Dear Mr. Bailey,

Thank you for the continuous preference in our guns.

Your 20 ga. side by side shotgun was produced at the end of 2004 and was shipped to Cabela's during the beginning of 2005.

It should be be like our S.285, you can see at the following link and read the features: https://www.davide-pedersoli.com/s...-by-side-shotgun-classic-standard-cal-20.html

It is chrome lined.

Further the shot, you can also shoot round ball:

60 grs. of FFg. 614” round ball, .010” patch
70 grs. of FFg with 1 oz of shot #7

The numbers you may find inside the stock and also on some fo the metal parts, are made in the first metal to fitting works, then the parts are disassembled to continue their proper finish and when they go back to the assembly dept, the parts are matched

At the support section of our web site, you can download the general manual, including also your shotguns. https://www.davide-pedersoli.com/supporto.asp?l=en

Best regards,
Customer service

DAVIDE PEDERSOLI & C.
Via Artigiani, 57
I-25063 GARDONE VALTROMPIA
(Brescia) Italy
ph. +39 030 8915000
fax +39 030 8911019 http://www.davide-pedersoli.com/guns-for-sale-pedersoli.asp?l=en

 

[SDSmlf]

I have a Davide pedersoli double barrel 12 ga, but I don't know the model number. When you separate the barrel, KG1 970 is stamped on the barrel.
I would just like to know the model

Iirc the KG figure is a proof mark. KG per CM. Mandatory proofing is required in Europe and Britain.
Pedersoli do use model codes also and shotguns are usually an S followed by a three digit number.

I believe that @Britsmoothy is correct about KG figure being a proof mark.

My Pedersoli 12 gauge double from 1978 has a KG1 360 stamped on it. My notes on the gun from many years ago when things called ‘books’ were used for reference (as opposed to the internet), I calculated that my 12 gauge Pedersoli with the KG1 360 stamp meant it was proofed at 1,360 kilograms per square centimeter; 2992 pounds per square centimeter; or 19,303 PSI. This is based on a kilogram equaling 2.2 pounds and a square inch equaling 6.4516 square centimeters.