By mounted do you mean brass barrel? because the Early Virginia has brass trigger guard, butt plate, nose cap, and ramrod loops.
Sorry I'm very uneducated in terminology still.
Do you have a picture of an original?
Trying to purchase a rifle and so many questions left unanswered.
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By mounted do you mean brass barrel? because the Early Virginia has brass trigger guard, butt plate, nose cap, and ramrod loops.
Sorry I'm very uneducated in terminology still.
Do you have a picture of an original?
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Thats true if I was trying to buy from the forum members
Many people here do just that - it's no bad thing to buy from somebody who is not a stranger.
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Hi Osseon,
I previously suggested a possible solution. Buy a rifle set up as a fowler. Order a fowler, which usually do not have cheek pieces and have the maker put a rifled version of the barrel on it. Here is an example. It represents a British officer's rifled fusil from the 1770s and as such is cut back for a bayonet. It is my current favorite rifle to shoot. It could be shot left or right easily. The barrel is simply a Colerain Griffin profile fowler barrel that is rifled.
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Well, there's a 'put together' piece, and Dave Person 'put together' piece. Which do you prefer?
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'Mounted' means all the metal work, except the lock. IOW, the nosecap, trigger guard, butt plate [if fitted with one, and thimbles/pipes for the ramrod.
The TVM rifles are more or less true to the period and are not a copy of a historically correct firearm of the period. Putting iron mountings on a rifle that in the period would have brass mountings, putting a Germanic (Siler) Lock on a rifle or fowling gun that should have an English lock, are a couple of examples of deviation from a historically correct firearm. In and of each issue doesn't alter the acceptable function of the firearm, but you may find it difficult to find a match of a TVM rifle in "Rifles of Colonial America" (RCA). Osseon, I would think that a TVM rifle built for you would be a good choice.Historical accuracy is in ranges of degrees right? Nothing is 100% PC. What for example would be inaccurate about a TVM?
If its something designed with the style of a period or a mish mash of rifles we have of that time, I personally feel its good enough. If its something horribly egregious I would like to know before I bought one!
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I mentioned all of those items except the patchbox - bearing in mind that some long rifles did not actually have them at all.
However, I excepted the barrel as I've never seen a brass-barrelled long rifle of any style. Can you show us an image of one?
I don't think I'm experienced enough in the hobby to have found my degree of historical correctness. I'm kind of in the vague area of "Is it using the technology of the time, loosely based on something real, and it was possible during the period" then I think I can accept it. I'm going to try and Jim Kiblier next weekend as well as possibly a pedersoli. Maybe seeing them will trigger something inside me lol.
I've been reading on TVMs and it seems like they offer an english lock for the Early Virginia, which lock would you recommend if you don't mind me asking?
@Osseon, I would recommend the Chambers Colonial Virginia Lock or the Round Faced English which are not on the list. The Chambers Late Ketland is one of the best performing locks available and the Colonial Virginia Lock should be as good. The L&R Queen Anne Flint is a good choice as well, just not as highly regarded as the Chamber's Locks. I have an L&R Lock on my Derringer Rifle and it is a good performing lock.
Jim Chambers Flintlocks
Oh, and yes on getting the swamped barrel.
Jim Chambers Flintlocks
Oh, and yes on getting the swamped barrel.
Pete G
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Today's iron mounts are copies of original brass castings. Iron was used in forged fittings and has a totally different configuration. Think SMR or Tennesee here. Compare the two and you will see the difference.
Johnny Tremain
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Never built one in my life. This is my version of a Virginia Sheetz rifle.
Some say Sheetz never made a low budget farm gun.
Here is what this one will look like in over 150 years old.
https://aspenshadeltd.com/inventory_iron.html
Find out what you want it for, then get the proper rifle to do the job.
I'll see if TVM might accept a lock I send to him. Thank you for the recommendations. I assume the Chambers Colonial (not available at TVM) would be the most PC out of the list?
In my opinion at least.
TVM will put any lock on you want. Like I said call and talk to them. You will be surprised by how they will work with you sir. Ask them all your questions. I found them very friendly and easy to work with.
Now I will state something that is going to make alot of guys very angry.
There is no such thing as a Modern Made Muzzleloading Rifle or Smoothbore that is 100% Period Correct - Historically Correct. Why? Because all of the modern made guns use modern made steel barrels even if they are made out of damascus or wrought iron (and these are very expensive) they are still modern made. They are made with modern power tools or CNC equipment using modern electricity in modern gun shops using modern safety standards, Especially with the gun barrels themselves. Otherwise any manufacturer and that includes the pure custom shops, would find themselves under serious legal lawsuits that would, especially for the smaller shops, result in bankruptcy due to safety lawsuits. The most anyone can say is that they own a Modern Made Replica of a Historically Correct Rifle or Smoothbore. That's all they can say. This is what I tell people when they ask me questions when I am at the range.
Go to TVM and just tell them what you want. They will order everything if they do not have it. Stay away from kits until you familiarize yourself with muzzleloaders and shooting them. Make sure you measure your Length of Pull and the drop you want on the stock. TVM can help you do this. Everyone shoots differently and mounts differently according to their body frame. If you are going to spend the money get it done the way you want it. For a first time build TVM is the best option. After that if you want something else then by all means pursue it. This is the way I went when I first came on board many years ago and I do not regret it.
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