TVM

[davy]

All differences aside, I'm just greatful that we have these independant shops turning out American made pieces. IMO, we need to turn away from the Foriegn manufacturers. First there was Italy, Spain and Japan, Then India made repros. What's next, Pakistani made Longrifles?
Look at our options so far:
TVM (both varients), ERA, Caywood, North Star West, etc. Regardless of our opinions, these folks are reachable, and turn out relatively decent firelocks.

Fact is ... many of these fureign guns were available when many (not all) American makers either simply put their noses up at making them, or were so few and far atwixt as to make it impossible for many of us to buy one! :cursing: So I am very hesitant to bad mouth them.

I am grateful they were, and are still around! Many of us cannot afford the more expensive custom or commercial guns ( even if we wanted the custom guns! .. and I do!!) ... so why not embrace the fact that they serve a real need and purpose in promoting blackpowder shooting for the financially disabled .. like myself! That in itself is due some respect IMHO! :v

Davy

 

[marcstephen]

All differences aside, I'm just greatful that we have these independant shops turning out American made pieces. IMO, we need to turn away from the Foriegn manufacturers. First there was Italy, Spain and Japan, Then India made repros. What's next, Pakistani made Longrifles?
Look at our options so far:
TVM (both varients), ERA, Caywood, North Star West, etc. Regardless of our opinions, these folks are reachable, and turn out relatively decent firelocks.

Fact is ... many of these fureign guns were available when many (not all) American makers either simply put their noses up at making them, or were so few and far atwixt as to make it impossible for many of us to buy one! :cursing: So I am very hesitant to bad mouth them.

I am grateful they were, and are still around! Many of us cannot afford the more expensive custom or commercial guns ( even if we wanted the custom guns! .. and I do!!) ... so why not embrace the fact that they serve a real need and purpose in promoting blackpowder shooting for the financially disabled .. like myself! That in itself is due some respect IMHO! :v

Davy

:thumbsup:

 

[oldarmy]

Hey guys,
Build your own.
I am just a newbi and my work isn't close to the wonderfull guns that the builders on this forum create.
But they function fine and look ok to me.
Parts are not going to cost you much more then the price of a new pedersoli flinter and the tools you need are just basic hand tools.
If I can build one, you surely can

 

[CrackStock]

Maestro,

I like it that you take the trouble to identify which entity you are discussing while others are simply writing TVM as though they were both the same.

CS

 

[3 stinky dogs]

I have one of the Gun's produced by Mr. Garner, And soon a shooting bag produced by Mrs. Garner. I cant remember if it was you or not but a comment was made about the lock not being proper. You also mentioned that the wood screw can be corrected. What lock would a guy ask for on a Southern or Tennessee rifle And can the wood screw issue be settled by referring to the instructions in " Building The Pennsylvania Long Rifle ?"

 

[CrackStock]

There is a great discussion of the locks available through a search here. The answer was not simple and you should review the entire discussion.

As to the drilling of a tang screw into the trigger plate or trigger guard, these are addressed in several books. Page 67 (buttoning up section of Dixon's book.)Alexander has it on page 108 and Buchele has this mixed in with a long and general discussion that starts around page 47.

None give you a perfect description. The best idea is to rig some sort of means of finding a known run out point for the drill bit and then drill through or the start at each end through metal and then remove the metal parts to try to line up the meet in the middle through just wood. The tap with all parts in place so at to get a replaceable threaded hole.

It is not really that hard to do.

CS

 

[oldarmy]

you really don't need to replace it- the wood screw-
Who is going to know besides you?
I just left mine alone.
the rifle shots great..
I just talked to Jack. he is working on a pistol kit for me.
I asked him about the wood screw.
He had a great point about removing wood from the wrist area. the weakest area of the stock.
the wood screw seats the tang and you remove little wood, or you drill a hole through the wrist removing more wood and then attach it the trigger plate.
Which one is stronger??
I don't know.

 

[CrackStock]

OldArmy,

You might notice that I did not offer any criticism on the point, but rather just noted the references regarding "How to."

I have received various replies when I have asked about this in the past and Jack has a point. On the other hand, I think that a bolt threaded into the trigger plate or trigger guard is stronger and more correct. This distributes the pressure of holding together over a larger area.

CS

 

[oldarmy]

Hey Crackshot,
I would agree with you that the tang bolt is better. Just being a devil's advocate
When I ordered a kit from Jack I ordered a tang bolt from him for my rifle

 

[scott adair]

Hello,

I am currently building an early virginia from tvm (Matt Avance), and wanted to comment. I researched rifles and kits for about 3 months and through a twist of fate found myself in MS on bussiness. I spent nearly 3 hours in their shop talking to them and asking questions. I am not exactly 'burning it up' finishing my kit but every time I have a question someone there has always been courteous and helpful. As for quality I am too new to this to be a good judge but I am pleased. It's a kit and has required some minor fitting and adjustment. I think that's to be expected.

would I buy from them again?

YES!

Scott Adair :v

 

[tg]

I am curious as to what lock and barrel and buttplate your research lead you to chose when you purchased the TVM parts

 

[scott adair]

TG

You wrote:

"I am curious as to what lock and barrel and buttplate your research lead you to chose when you purchased the TVM parts "

After reading various things about component quality (iffy locks and barrels from some manufacturers)I decided that TVM looked like the best I could afford. I ended up going with iron fittings, Green Mountain barrel and Siler lock.

As for historical research I did not go there. My choice was made from the view of quality and visual appeal.

Let me know if this does or does not answer your question.

I might add that this is not only my first muzzleloader but the first gun I have built as well. Have'nt so much as assembled a cva kit before.

Scott Adair

 

[larryluck]

Scott,

I recently received a Jack Garner TVM late Lancaster kit, which came with a .50 7/8 Longhammock barrel.

I considered the early Virginia kit, the Siler lock was correct and the rest of the major components looked pretty good. I wasn't ready to spring for the tapered and flared barrel and the inletting charge for that for my second rifle, and thought the parallel barrel might not fit the early components as well as those of the late Lancaster.

I've made mistakes large and small on my first rifle, which used an unshaped blank, and wanted to get a better feel for the wrist architecture on the cheek side before moving on to my next project.

Mr. Garner's product is a good value and was exactly what I was looking for.

Good luck on your rifle.

Larry Luck

 

[tg]

I was wonderimng if the historical aspect was part of the choice making process, your answer cleared up that question, as I see they use the Siler lock and I do not know from the historical point of view how that fits in, along with the faceted buttplate and tg that I saw on a TVM early Virginia at a gun show, but they are from whhat I have heard a very good gun for the money with quality parts and workmanship, I have just been hardpressed to connect the "authenticity factor" with them...but this is not an issue for many.

 

[CrackStock]

Scott,

Would I buy from them again? Well, I have never bought guns from the same source twice. This is not due to any particular experience, but rather from my desire to meet a variety of suppliers. I like to have some experience with all of them and enjoy dealing with them.

CS