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UPDATE: Negative Experience w/ Traditions

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Greycat

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Hello all, thought I'd give an update for those who are/were following my little drama with Traditions. For those who missed the original post, here it is in all it's glory...

History Linkey

That should get you up to speed on where things stood two weeks ago, when Lou, the gentleman from Traditions Customer Service, told me that he would send my defective lock back to me, so I could get it fixed myself.

As it's been two weeks, and I've heard nothing from Traditions, and seen no lock in the mail, I decided to give them a call this morning. I neglected to get his name, but I spoke with a very polite young man, who took some information from me, and placed me on hold. Luckily, I was sitting in front of my computer, and able to play a few hands of solitare during my ~15 minute hold, because it took the young man a while to track down information concerning my lock.

He came back on the line, thanked me for holding, then proceeded to tell me that after they ordered my replacement lock, back in June, they discarded my defective lock. They somehow didn't realize this until such time as they went looking for it, and couldn't find it.

::Spoiler Here:: If you look back at the previous thread, you'll see where 'Lou' whoever he is, assured me that they had my 'gun' right there where it should be. Apparently, he could find the longrifle in my basement, but not the lock in his workshop. :bull:

Apparently, after 'Lou' said he'd send my lock back to me, then went looking for it, and couldn't find it, they all just said 'to heck with it' and, I'm assuming here, put it out of there minds until such time as I might call back, as I did today. :hmm:

When I asked the young man I was speaking with what happened two weeks ago, when 'Lou' said he'd ship my lock back to me, he had absolutely no idea what had happened, other than my defective lock being discarded sometime after it arrived in June, or why no one had contacted me, or attempted to make amends for the mistake, or anything of the sort. :confused:

I've got to admit, that at this point, I was doing everything I could to not be shouting obsceneties into the phone. I know it wouldn't accomplish anything useful, but sometimes you get so darned mad you just want to kick something. I'd say shoot something, but my smokepole is broke without a lock :(

At this point, I'm sitting in stunned silence, trying to think of something to say, some way to respond, that doesn't begin with something I can't say in front of my daughter :redface:

And the young man comes through brilliantly. He apologizes for the lock being mistakenly discarded, apologizes for the delays I've been experiencing, and says that what he's going to do, since they dont' have an identical lock to replace mine, is send to me, free of charge, and upgraded replacement flintlock for the Pennsylvannia Longrifle....a $100 lock. :shocked2:

He also said, that while he's swamped at the moment, but he'll try to get it out in today's mail. Failing that, he'll personally make sure it goes in Monday's mail if he can't get it packaged up in time today :shocked2:

So it looks like I might actually come out better off in the deal, after having to deal with four months of drama. I'm not saying anything definite, until I have the lock in my sweaty little hands, and get it in my longrifle, but things are definitely looking up :grin:

Before all of this happened, I was as sold on Traditions as it gets, I love my rifle, and love that they were offering to replace my lock for me, and was all around a happy camper. Then, they almost, almost managed to snatch defeat right out of the jaws of victory, with the runaround I kept getting.

However, while I might from this point on, be a little leery of sending back something if it rendered me unable to shoot until I got a replacement, this young man's action today has somewhat restored my faith in Traditions standing behind their product. So here's to the nameless young gentleman who helped me today :hatsoff:

All in all, while it's not an experience I'd care to repeat, I fell that I've learned a bit, and come out on the good side of the experience :thumbsup:

I'll let you guys know when the lock arrives, and how she shoots after we get it installed and aligned do the voodoo dance over it :grin:


Greycat
 
Well, if he actually follows through and They Actually DO have a new, improved, upgraded lock in stock, and if he remembers to package it, and then remembers to get it in the mail, and then if the P.O. doesn't loose it in transit, and then if the mailman delivers it to the right address, and then if it fits in the lock mortise, you may be ALL SET. :grin: Sorry, but after the run around you have been getting, i am kind of leary of anything they say. I never have recieved a call back from the supervisor in customer support. Don't figure i ever will. Have called him 4 times now but he never answers the phone. Not really sure if they actually have a supervisor there. Anyway, i hope they get a decent lock to you soon. Let us know.
 
gees rebel yer just a ray of sunshine!!!!!!! good luck greycat,this will work out for ya,i got the feelin..never mind rebel, he must'a lost the crosscountry box him and swampy were playin with..and like i said before the offers still good on that penn rifle,,,$100 shipped to my door ..with the new updated special design surefire flint lock...i'll take care of ya, jes send it up here..no more worries for ya! let us know...we'll be waitin! RC
 
Just that Greycat and i have had some not so good experience with Traditions here lately. And my rays of sunshine all turned cloudy and grey lately.
 
Hi Greycat,

I also have a Traditions Pennsylvania Longrifle. un-like your problem, I noticed early this Spring that I thought I had a crack just forward of the vent tap by about 1/16". I sent the barrel to them. In talking to the wan-bee gun smith their, he told me it was a bushing that the vent is tapped into. I asked him to check it out and he told me it was not repairable. 4 days later the barrel was back to me. Since it still leaked fluid when cleaning it in a bucket of hot water, I cleaned it really good and put some epoxy into the small opening. I now only clean the barrel left in the stock and under no pressure when cleaning it. I have now shot several hundred shots out of it and it doesn't leak any longer. My faith in Traditions has gone to H and A hand basket.

I hope they finally will do right by you. Good Luck
 
One may want to be patient with this company at present and inform them of Mr. Bridges plans for the RB and traditional hunting guns, there may be another corporation that may lean our way in whatever becomes of this current situation?
 
Well, it turns out that the polite young man, whose name I later learned was Jason, while not being quite as quick as he had hoped, did get the replacement lock out in the mail to me. It arrived yesterday afternoon, and looks very similar to the previous one.

However, it doesn't quite fit in the mortise. Almost, but not quite. I'm a little leery of taking tool to wood, as I've never done such a thing on a gunstock before, so I'm going to look for someone nearby to give me a hand getting it fit into place.

Once I get it in place, we'll see how it works. Overall, I would still consider this to be a negative experience, but apparently, Traditions will stand behind their products. At this point, while I wouldn't rule out another purchase from Traditions in the future, I'd be more inclined to go with someone with a bit better customer service.......

So, kudos to Jason, for keeping his word, and getting a replacement lock to me. Shame on Lou, for lying to me, and then, I'm assuming, forgetting about me. Thank you to Traditions for supporting your product, finally, but you really should look into improving your customer service and communication.

Also, thanks to everyone here in teh forum for their advice and support. Anyone near Greenville, SC that wants to help me fit a lock??? :)


Greycat
 
Greycat, since you must touch blade to wood any how, why don't you just put that lock into a nice piece of curly maple? And. . . Since you're doing that, might as well get a new Getz barrel to improve that lock's ignition. However, I heard that Jim Chambers makes a dandy lock that works well with the Getz barrel, so why not go that route as well. And when you get it all put back together, you'll have such a nice new Traditions you won't even hardly recognize it! :winking:
 
Is the lockplate slightly bigger or is it the internals hanging up? If I were you I'd hold the lock over a candle and get it nice and black. Try it in the mortise, might just be a slight adjustment and the black will show it.
 
And if it is the lockplate and you don't want to touch chisel to wood, touch file to metal and file the plate down to fit the mortise.
 
I think that you are all overthinking this. Disassemble the parts from New lock B and put them onto the defective lock plate A with the replacement components.
 
Pork Chop said:
I think that you are all overthinking this. Disassemble the parts from New lock B and put them onto the defective lock plate A with the replacement components.


Yeah, I sent the defective lock, plate and all, to Traditions, and they apparently through ti in the crapper at some point.

It just barely doesn't fit, I mean, not even a sixteenth of an inch off in three or four spots. I may, may, be able to just touch up those few spots with some sandpaper, just enough to get a tight fit. I don't knwo yet, haven't made up my mind yet. The spot where the most wood will need to be removed, appears to be where the pan itself meets up with the side of the barrel. Both the front and back of the opening will need some wood removed, maybe even just over a sixteenth on the rear side of the slot.

I hope to take a crack at it here soon, but the rut has just started up, so I'm trying to get some time spent out in the woods. Since my flinter isn't up to snuff yet, i'm having to hunt with my GASP Lever 30-30. I know, I know, it's a centerfire, but it's all I've got working at the moment that's legal for deer here.

Oh well, maybe I'll get it fixed and sighted in before the season is over, and get a chance to take it out on a hunt....

Take care all



Greycat
 
I allways like to play with a new lock, can't help it. I would put some powder in the pan and hold it away from my face and trip the sear arm, will probably do it quite a few times till I am convinced the lock is ok. Then I would fit the lock. flinch
 
Greycat Im not sure Im reading this right can it maybe be fixed with takeing a little metal off with a file?? And not touch the wood? Ive had a lock or two that a small file and sandpaper fitted it in real nice. Ive been afraid now that TRADITIONS are the cheap guy on the block and know it with DC and CVA stopping rifle building that we are going to get down to nothing another sold all they had for 1/2 price last2 weeks. Hope someone steps in to fill this VOID! Fred :hatsoff:
 
fw said:
Greycat Im not sure Im reading this right can it maybe be fixed with takeing a little metal off with a file?? And not touch the wood? Ive had a lock or two that a small file and sandpaper fitted it in real nice. Ive been afraid now that TRADITIONS are the cheap guy on the block and know it with DC and CVA stopping rifle building that we are going to get down to nothing another sold all they had for 1/2 price last2 weeks. Hope someone steps in to fill this VOID! Fred :hatsoff:


That brings up an interesting question. Glad I didn't rush off to do anything yet :) Would it be better to trim the wood of the mortise, or better to trim the metal of the lock, or maybe some combination of the two?


Greycat
 
Well, it's a durned good thing I didn't go off half-cocked and attempt to make this lock fit and work by myself. Seems that I wasn't looking in the right places when I was trying to see why the lock didn't fit right into the mortise.

However, I did luck up and get a hold of a fairly local (hour drive or so) muzzleloading club call the Piedmont MuzzleLoaders. I went down to see them Thursday morning, and got a little help getting my lock fit in. Apparently, there wasn't a problme with the lock plate fitting the cutout at all, it was behind the lock plate where we ran into problems.

Turns out, this new, 'upgraded' lock Traditions sent me, wasn't really designed to fit my older Pennsylvania style LongRifle. The little arm on the sear is shaped funny, and much lower than the original, and the workings behind the plate are almost an eigth inch thicker. So after carefully shaving wood from inside the mortise to allow the workings room to sit, and carefully widening the hole that the bar on the sear goes through, we ran into two more problems.

We couldn't figure out why the new lock wouldn't cock, until we looked back and saw where the hammer was hitting on the wood of the stock, and preventing it from going back to a full cock position. After carefully removing a bit more wood, the hammer goes back, but it still won't cock. Now we notice, that with the 'new' and 'improved' design of the lock assembly the funky sear bar is sitting hard on the trigger bar. It's lifting the sear, so that the trigger is always pulled, no matter what you do. That's the other reason we couldn't cock it.

Unfortunately, fixing this is going to require some grinding of metal parts, such as the sear bar and the trigger bar, both of which happened to be of hardened steel. Unfortunately, we had nothing with which to work on hardened steel with us, and so I had to take the parts and pices home with me.

It also looks like we might need to try and shim the trigger assembly out a little, to get a little more space for the sear bar. Since the guys have invited me back, I think I'll work on getting the shims in, and wait to do any metal grinding until I'm surrounded by people who really know what they're doing :grin:

Anyway, the saga continues, one of these days, I hope to be able to upload a picture of a fully functional flintlock, and it's target, with that one ragged hole in the middle :grin:


Greycat
 
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