US wolves taken off endangered list, clearing way for hunting

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Load up the Jaeger rifles and fire up Prokofiev's Peter & the Wolf on the I-Pod.

US wolves taken off endangered list, clearing way for hunting
by Laura Zuckerman Mon Jan 29, 6:03 PM ET[url] http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20070129/ts_alt_afp/usenvironmentwildlife[/url]

SALMON, United States (AFP) - US wildlife authorities said they will remove wolves from the endangered species list in three states and want to de-list the animals in three more regions, paving the way for hunting the creatures for the first time in decades.

US Fish and Wildlife Service director H. Dale Hall said during a telephone news conference the decision was taken because the wolves had been successfully re-populated.

 

[bigbore442001]

That is great news for all concerned. The whole wolf mess was thrust upon the people of those states without the consent of people who had to live with them.

Hmm. I always wanted a nice wolf pelt. What an awesome winter hunt.

 

[Maynerd62411]

Hopefully, Illinois' DNR won't start "re-populating" wolves .

 

[Vaino]

Being a meat hunter, I don't shoot what I don't eat!......Fred

 

[bigbore442001]

I am a meat hunter as well, but I will still shoot what eats the meat. :grin:

 

[Plains99]

I think that wolf hunting with the growing popularity of predator hunting in general will generate a lot of hunting interest and revenue for those states. I'd certainly like to do some wolf calling and have a nice mounted example in my trophy room.

 

There was a show on PBS the other night dealing with the fact that wolves have destabilized the food chain in every area where they have been introduced.

The ecosystem is not the pristine environment that existed 150 years ago when the preditors were removed. Introducing the predator into the modified system has upset the existing balance, not returned it to its former situation.

The ecologists of the 21st century are quick to point out that many of the ecologists of the 20th century did not have a clue about what they were doing.

I live 12 miles form down town Cincinatti and we are having trouble with coyoties killing and eating pets in the fenced in yards of suburbia. People cry crocodile tears when Fee-Fee gets eaten but they don't want anyone shooting or poisoning the yotes. They just want them moved to a "safe place", like the wildlife management area where they can distroy the existing small game balance of the hunting field.

WMA says kill them if you see them!

Some say the coyote has filled the nitche emptied by the Red Wolf. Not so. There was a 200 year gap between the elimination of one and appearance of the other.

In the east, 'yotes have filled the nitche once occupied by the stray dog!

I have not seen a stray dog in my area in 5 years, but I see 'yotes every day or two, espically on my way to work.

Contempt and leash laws eliminated the stray dog from our environment and it was replaced by the wilder and wiser 'yote.

 

[barebackjack]

We tried calling em up in canada a few years back. Thought we were onto something after our first stand what with nobody calling em and such. Turns out we werent. We got a few, but we worked for them.

Ive always said a coyote was the second smartest and hardest animal to hunt in the US (second to the crow),....but wolves are tough to call too. Much like cats, they take awhile to respond and at least in the area we hunted didnt seem to be brazen enough to cross open ground like a coyote will.

I didnt care for the wolf hunting so much. Their to damn heavy to carry out. Imagine having to carry your deer out....you cant drag a wolf to far or youll ruin the guard hairs.

Im suprised somebody hasnt tried to re-introduce bison into the "wild". What a disastor that would be. Imagine 1,000 buffalo feeding through a wheat field.

Just another perfect example though of some "expert" back in a washington office who thinks he knows best.

 

[RC]

HMM don'tknow fer sure if it's true er not, but have heard on numerous occasions that n.y.'s dec wanted to "secretly" re intro the mountain lion into the adirondacks....to control the coyote problem..........also wanted to reintro the wolf...cause "it was there before" as far as the lion reducin the coyote,seems animal like that would take an easier meal....cattle sheep etc.. dec released lynx few years ago in the "high peaks" of the adirondacks 22 i think, all gone.. 1 got hit in the[url] road..in[/url] binghamton,1 got shot in a chicken[url] coop..in[/url] vermont,,,the rest well they ain't heerd or seen em in years..but i guess if ya go to school they'll teach ya all about this stuff.. book learnin! that'll fix it....okay again my opinion..an yea i'd shoot...RC

 

[Vaino]

I guess a person can "dream up" all sorts of "reasons" to justify the shooting of wolves and the age old superstition of wolves attacking people is only one of the myths. Probably the one factor that is mostly to blame for the alarmist mindset concerning wolves is that in childhood too many kids read "Little Red Ridinghood" and "Three Little Pigs" both of which I think should be banned and burned in an effort to stamp out the misconceptions as regards wolves. :hmm: .....Fred

 

[RC]

"Little Red Ridinghood" and "Three Little Pigs" both of which I think should be banned and burned in an effort to stamp out the misconceptions as regards wolves. .....Fred
..................... :shocked2: ...........somehow i can't believe that's what the problem be...my opinion.!! RC

 

[redwing]

I don't think you have a clue about wolves. As Ghost stated this is not the world of 200 years ago. The Elk, Moose, and other big game animals are being destroyed by the wolves. The BLM has closed roads in the Mtns. due to the mass of rotting Moose calves not eaten just killed by wolves. The Elk herds are going fast.
I know many of you Eastern Liberals, like this. But they are closing down ranchs, killing off live stock. If something was shutting down jobs in the East, you would ask the Feds. to help you.
The good thing is this, Coyotes replace the Fox, wolves replace the Coyote. Wolves are moving east now across the Great Plains. Let see how you react to this in the next 10 years. :thumbsup:

 

[paulvallandigham]

put the animal carcass on a tarp to drag out, if you can't get a vehicle to the site. It saves the fur on any animal, deer, wolf, elk, caribou, etc.

Of you can buy some of that plastic roll-up stuff with the gromet holes already installed. You put a drag line though the gromets, and load the deer on that heavy gauge plastic " sled ". The slick plastic survace makes much easier dragging over rough ground.

 

[Rebel]

Or one of those kids plastic sleds works good too.

 

[XXX]

I read that Lynx have a hard time co-existing with fishers. Somebody studied the relationship between the 2 species in Maine and the fishers usually came out on top in a head to head fight. Lots of cached lynx carasses have been found in upper New England that suggest this is common. Fishers seem to be everywhere these days.

 

[RC]

XXX.. ya know, I never give that a thought.....course never heard it from anyone that should know..(ie n.y. d.e.c.) that makes sense,, I never hunted where they let the lynx out,but if it's anything like where I hunt, they'd have to leave..if they wanted to eat,,guess maybe the fishers wanted to eat more! ya watch them fisher in the woods look pretty tame, but stories about their hunting skills...heard stories of fisher taken down young deer.,so maybe the lynx were over their head...dang, cost the state(? me) a fortune.. hmmmmmmmmmmmmm, must be fisher vs. lynx isn't in the book.. :shake: RC thanks fer the thought!

 

[Plains99]

Somebody sure has a misconception of wolves... oh yeah, the friendly, harmless forest creature with a heart of gold. Poor misunderstood little wolfy with the big bad hunter persecuting his every whimsical little movement. Horse apples and donkey feathers! California clap trap! They are neither better nor worse than any other predator... but they are predators and very good ones. They were persecuted in the 19th and early 20th centuries for very good reasons. Nobody and I mean nobody in the ranching industry missed them until the government decided to bring them back. But then we can all watch "Dances with Wolves" and dream of Indians that never were, wolves that rarely behaved in such a fashion, and evil white men who just ruined everything... we can all go on the ultimate liberal guilt trip.

 

[hornbuilder]

i can really tell that there are many more hunters on this list than sportsmen , thats a shame but thats what hunting has turned into,. probably most of you don't even know the difference between a hunter and a sportsmen ,,nuff said

 

[Mad Professor]

I read that Lynx have a hard time co-existing with fishers. Somebody studied the relationship between the 2 species in Maine and the fishers usually came out on top in a head to head fight. Lots of cached lynx carasses have been found in upper New England that suggest this is common. Fishers seem to be everywhere these days.

Hmmm, I had a camera set up at the remains of a deer carcass last winter. Had a big fisher and big bobcat showing up, the fisher left whenever the bobcat showed up (camera had a timer). Sorry, don't have the consecutive pics showing proper times on this computer but the two animals in question are below.

Not sure if bobcat are much tougher than lynx?

 

[RC]

let me guess ..a hunter kills wolves and coyotes and a sportsman doesn't?????? RC