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Nimrod

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You folks that live in central Calif. that hunt on Camp Roberts, you can nolonger use lead bullets. I bet the Col will vote for H.C.
They cant take our guns away from us {yet} but they can make life rough on us ml people no PRB to hunt the river bottoms any more. :cursing: all over a buzzard :nono: OK what could we use instead of lead ? barnes bullets with a cover? I hate that word almost said it :rotf:

Nimrod
 
Why should any of us have to even worry about it. Last i heard this was still the United States, a supposed FREE Country. You know, Life, Liberty, and The Pusuit Of Happiness. If people don't start standing up and sounding off against these BS laws and regulations, before Too long we are all going to wake up and find out it is Too late, and that we no longer have ANY Rights.
 
I remember being at Camp Roberts once with the National Guard. Woke up one morning and saw a good size bore rooting in a small valley, just below our camp. After two weeks of C-rats that bore looked pretty good. We had our M-16s, but no bullets. About 20 of us fixed bayonets and charged. Should've seen that pig run :rotf: . You can always try like the Japanese did at the end of WWII. Shoot wodden bullets :haha: .
 
armymedic.2 said:
what is solder mad eout of, any lead in that? could definitely cast it no problem

Mostly lead. How hard is bismuth? That's what is used in some shotgun shells. Problem is, some of the harder alloys such as used in solids don't expand. A .50 caliber hole is nothing to sneeze at but that bullet would likely pass clean through and then present a still dangerous projectile.
 
I guess we'll all have ter shoot blunderbusses stuffed full of rusty nails, old nuts and bolts and pieces of chain and such stuff! :rotf:
 
dont laugh to hard remember when some activist said lead shot was making water fowel sick well it only took a year or so and all lead shot is now banned for water fowel hunting its all an anti gun plot better listen to rebel and stop making jokes and do something now or we can all kiss our "round balls" uh!!prb`s that is good-bye.
if the anti`s can take only one thing a year how long can our sport survive --just an uneducated ol`mans opinion :winking:
 
Ive always wondered, What is the water and land like around an area like Gettysburg? There is probably more lead in that ground than we'll ever shoot during a hunting season.Most clubs I shoot at all have a burm or a backstop of some sort to catch lead.The club I used to belong to coughed up a half million dollars for dredge operations because a couple swans turned up dead(Foul play-No pun intended)from the skeet range fallout.20 pounds of lead found in one bird :hmm: ...Mark
 
RedFeather said:
armymedic.2 said:
what is solder mad eout of, any lead in that? could definitely cast it no problem

Mostly lead. How hard is bismuth? That's what is used in some shotgun shells. Problem is, some of the harder alloys such as used in solids don't expand. A .50 caliber hole is nothing to sneeze at but that bullet would likely pass clean through and then present a still dangerous projectile.
Bismuth is a bit on the brittle side and has to be alloyed with tin, It's soft enough to be used in the old shotguns that can't stand steel shot. It isn't quite as expensive as gold, but some outfit has a virtual monopoly on the alloy and process.
 
Old Ford said:
How long have you been shooting at that bird ....to get 20 lbs. of lead in him.
He must of eventually sunk!
You would break every tooth in your mouth on that old " Buzzard"
Old Ford
Methinks somebody who don't like the club most likley force fed im
 
In the book "The Muzzle-Loading Rifle Then & Now" page 40 states,Federal records in the Civil War, show from May 3rd to Sept 3rd 1864 the Federal Army on the Atlanta campaign fired 22,137,132 rounds and it is probable that the Confederate army fired almost as many rounds. With the present logic in Washington D.C. nothing should be alive east of the Mississippi River.
BPWRL
 
bpwrl said:
In the book "The Muzzle-Loading Rifle Then & Now" page 40 states,Federal records in the Civil War, show from May 3rd to Sept 3rd 1864 the Federal Army on the Atlanta campaign fired 22,137,132 rounds and it is probable that the Confederate army fired almost as many rounds. With the present logic in Washington D.C. nothing should be alive east of the Mississippi River.
BPWRL

22+ MILLION ??? :shocked2: :shocked2: :shocked2:
 
Rebel said:
Why should any of us have to even worry about it. Last i heard this was still the United States, a supposed FREE Country. You know, Life, Liberty, and The Pusuit Of Happiness. If people don't start standing up and sounding off against these BS laws and regulations, before Too long we are all going to wake up and find out it is Too late, and that we no longer have ANY Rights.

:hmm: wasn't a dictator in bagdad just hung to free that country....now it sounds like ours is turning into a li'iraq, it sounds like garbage to me :bull: :cursing: :shake: :v .............bob
 
Well, I can understand the lead shot ban in some areas. Puddle ducks do sift through the mud where the lead settles and I would imagine that studies for lead poisoning were conducted.

Bullets fired long ago are likely down in the ground where nothing is ingesting them. Of course, they may contribute to ground water pollution. And I think our range has to scour spent lead every so often out of the berms the county made us erect.

How about those Barnes X-bullets that are made of copper? Would they expand at ML velocities? You would have to use a sabot or over powder wad.
 
Redfeather: Please don't pass on lies. The only studies done were done by Glen Sanderson as a graduate student at the University of Illinois. He found a few ducks that had lead pellets in their craws, along with similar sized stones used to grind seeds to aid in the digestion process. He extrapolated mortality by assuming some facts that were not correct. His preliminary papers for his doctorate were grabbed by the anti-hunting, anti-gun folks and used to ban lead shot for waterfowl. When he completed his research he found that he had made errors in his calculations, and that lead was not proven to contribute additional mortality through ingestion, as compared to ducks wounded that flew away and died later.

THERE IS NO FACTUAL SUPPORT( in academic langauge, that is NO EMPIRICAL DATA SUPPORTING ) THE PROPOSITION THAT LEAD SHOT IS CAUSING UNNECESSARY AND ADDITIONAL MORTALITY THROUGH INGESTION.

I also suspect that the Passenger Pigeon was not shot out by commercial hunters, but rather succumbed to diseases that went undetected and determined because of the poor state of science in that day. Dr. Sam Fadala has written a fine piece that supports the idea that Buffalo were not taken to near extinction by hunters, but rather by diseases brought to the plains by cattle that wandered away from wagon trains. The Buffalo had no natural resistance to these " civilized " diseases, and contracted them from grazing with infected cattle. He bases this theory on the fact that there was just not enough powder and shot taken West to kill the millions of Buffalo that were estimated to have lived before the great migration of settlers occured. At the height of the buffalo hunting craze, the railroads in the West could only access 10 % of the land area where buffalo lived, assuming that hide hunters would be willing to travel up to 100 miles from the nearest railroad and back to kill buffalo and sell the hides. If that mileage is reduced, less of the west was reachable. If not all the lead and powder was used to shoot just buffalo, then even more buffalo would have lived but for diseases.

So, please, all of us have to STOP accepting the myth that hunting has caused extinctions of species. There just is no real proof of any thing of the kind. It is a myth pushed by people who hate mankind, and hate guns and hunting, and who would deny that they were given teeth designed both to grind and eat grains, and grasses, as well as teeth designed to cut and tear meat. We are Omnivores, and that is the reason the human species has been so successful in occupying most of the earth, and rising to the top of the food chain. Denying who we are, and how we are designed for survival helps no one.
 

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