I picked couple from Guns of the West, they work fine, then I picked up one for Ruger Old Army from CartridekitsShop, I ended up with 2 more from CartridekitsShop, the CartridekitsShop ones just work better for me, either ones work fine but I havnt used Guns of the West kits since I bought CartridekitsShop ones, other folks may have just the opposite experience.