What size Dutch oven or potjie to be the only cast iron in a solo camp?

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I've got other "pot" options in brass and tin, which may be more appropriate for other venues. I'm after a cast iron cauldron for drive in fixed camps as my one cast iron "luxury" item. There will also coffee pot in the mix as well.. maybe a wee little chair.....
 
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I would ask what are you planning on cooking?
A Dutch oven is an oven. You can make bread and pies in one. Is that what your planning
Bread was a stable back in the day, however in a camp setting you can make flat breads without an oven. And that’s historic.
Baking powder was yet to be invented. Breads were sourdough or made with bram, live beer back then.
Making bread in a camp was a chore.
However boiled puddings, were easy without the weight of a Dutch oven.
What are you planning to use it for. In general light tin and copper pots are lighter and historic for a camp
I'm planning on using it like a Dutch oven. And a bean pot. Not so much deep frying for safety and logistical reasons.
 
I use a 10” cast iron Dutch oven in my camp. At our local rendezvous we have a couple of group feed nights and I need the larger size to cook for a crowd. It also fits my brassier well and is a good size for frying so saves carrying a fry pan. I am not a minimalist when it comes to extended camps. Now if I was trekking it would be a different matter.
 
I'm getting my kitchen gear together for next year. I'm going to try and limit self to one cast item, some sort of lidded Dutch oven or A Potjie, which is an old style cauldron with legs. Its just going to be me cooking for my self, so I'm figured about 1 gallon Potjie would be a good size. Of course they don't come in 1 gallon. Sizes go from 3/4 gallon directly to 1 1/2 gallons. And then if I look at the "chart" a 2 gallon pot is only 3 pounds heavier. Which for whatever reason seems so much more of an "efficient" use of cast iron. The chart is copied from Lemans non electric.

So I'm wondering what size would be practical for feeding just my self, and what size iron pots where the most common in the 18th century?
Thanks, Woody

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Sizes:

  • 3 Qt: 8", 12 lb
  • 1.5 Gal: 91⁄2", 17 lb
  • 2 Gal: 101⁄2", 20 lb
  • 3.5 Gal: Total height - 17", Pot height - 14", 37 lb
  • 4.75 Gal: Total height - 17", Pot height - 15" 46 lb
  • 9 Gal: Total height - 19", Pot height - 16", Lid height - 3", 72 lb
  • 14.75 Gal: Total height - 22", Pot height - 18", 110 lb
  • 18.5 Gal: Total height - 26", Pot height - 18", 131 lb"


3 Qts? Do you think thats big enough to bake something in?

I've been doing hearth and campfire cooking for three decades, and have done my fair share of cooking demonstrations and taught campfire/hearth cooking.

So you want to cook a stew/soup/boil a game hen, and you want to bake something like cornbread and/or biscuits or a bannock? Right? AND you would like to do both in one object? I'm stating the premise to make sure I give you the proper response. Because, you can do both those things with a brass trade kettle (which is a small brass pail), and a steel or iron frying pan, which are a lot lighter. You just have to learn the techniques, so there is a bit of a "learning curve".

I also agree, there is some merit to keeping things as simple as possible.


What you Do Not Want is a potjie. They are very tough to bake in. You will need a pie tin or plate that will fit inside the opening for the potjie and a trivet to rest that upon within the potjie because the bottom is round not flat. PLUS my Scottish frugal side is showing and they are too expensive.

That leaves the classic Dutch Oven. (Now the classic Dutch Oven that everybody thinks about is a 19th century thing, IF that matters.)

But we're keeping it simple. So you're looking at a classic Dutch Oven with the raised edge on the lid and legs. Stay away from the big name brands; you don't need to overpay. You should be looking (imho) at a 5-quart Ozark Trail Dutch Oven, for under $30. (My Scottish frugal-genes are showing)

DUTCH OVEN OZARK TRAIL 5 QT CHEAPEST.jpg


The price is very good. The drawbacks are the modern bale, and that handle on the lid isn't cast onto the lid. (Probably a way to keep cost down.) A "legged" Dutch Oven or a cast-iron pot with legs means that using a grill instead of placing it on the ground or hanging it from a tripod can be a problem. All proper Dutch Ovens can have their lid inverted and used as a skillet of sorts. Just watch the grease if you do pork especially bacon, as get much grease and it spills over and you get a flare up of flames on the campfire.

I have one of these, and as mentioned, in the one that I own the handle is not cast but is attached with a steel screw from inside. Also, it's a "5-Quart" but NOBODY fills them up to the brim, so no matter what you see in any brand name's ad, they hold less when being used for cooking The above one is actually 3-quarts of usable cooking volume. ;)You can still invert that lid and cook on it as you would a steel skillet. PLUS the price is so low that if you decide you don't like it you've not dropped much coin. I ordered mine from Wally World.

Now you might see one of these if you look at all the cool cast iron at Wally World. It's called a "Double Dutch Oven", and it runs about $20 more than the Ozark D.O. This is great for folks cooking at home on a stove, as it can also be used for camp use. The ads show it being used to bake in both the lid and the lower portion (obviously having been in a modern oven). I prefer to think of them as "Double" because you can use them at home on the stove top, or in the oven, or in camp. (The legs on a classic Dutch Oven or a potjie mean they cannot be used on a home stove.)

DUTCH OVEN TEMBRU DOUBLE OVEN.jpg
No legs means it works very well on a grill with folding legs, and pretty much needs something like that. That's how you will see this used in camp. The lid is much deeper than on a traditional 19th century Dutch Oven, so it's great when inverted if you do something like fried chicken, or deep fried potatoes/french fries. The lid, however with it not having a centered loop for lifting, means the cook needs to use a pair of hot-pot-pads to lift the lid to check on anything baked, and there is no raised edge to hold coals. So when one lifts the lid when baking, one knocks off the coals first. When done checking, the lid is replaced, and fresh coals are then shoveled on top. Some folks have no worries with this as they would be refreshing the coals no matter what, so it is manageable. Further, when keeping it simple, a grill or grate with folding legs is pretty easy to transport and store.

DUTCH OVEN CAMP GRILL FOLDING.jpg



So those are pretty much your options to be as simple as possible and not break the bank.

You're in Chestertown, and I'm in Damascus, so if you need some first-hand tips, send me a PM and I can show you how to use some of the stuff.

LD
 
I'm getting my kitchen gear together for next year. I'm going to try and limit self to one cast item, some sort of lidded Dutch oven or A Potjie, which is an old style cauldron with legs. Its just going to be me cooking for my self, so I'm figured about 1 gallon Potjie would be a good size. Of course they don't come in 1 gallon. Sizes go from 3/4 gallon directly to 1 1/2 gallons. And then if I look at the "chart" a 2 gallon pot is only 3 pounds heavier. Which for whatever reason seems so much more of an "efficient" use of cast iron. The chart is copied from Lemans non electric.

So I'm wondering what size would be practical for feeding just my self, and what size iron pots where the most common in the 18th century?
Thanks, Woody

"
Sizes:

  • 3 Qt: 8", 12 lb
  • 1.5 Gal: 91⁄2", 17 lb
  • 2 Gal: 101⁄2", 20 lb
  • 3.5 Gal: Total height - 17", Pot height - 14", 37 lb
  • 4.75 Gal: Total height - 17", Pot height - 15" 46 lb
  • 9 Gal: Total height - 19", Pot height - 16", Lid height - 3", 72 lb
  • 14.75 Gal: Total height - 22", Pot height - 18", 110 lb
  • 18.5 Gal: Total height - 26", Pot height - 18", 131 lb"
Hang on...my Dutch isn't that good. What's a potjie?

Good heavens! It sounds to me like you're planning on feeding the whole bloody camp. All you really need is a tin cup & a spoon. Anything over & above that is luxury.

I get by with a 16 oz. tin cup, a 6" folding skillet, a 1 quart tin lined copper kettle & a spoon. I don't bother with fire irons, tripods &c anymore. I just shove cooking vessels into the coals, stir the contents to keep them from burning, or move the vessel to a cooler part of the fire and I'm ready to eat.
 
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If you’re going to pack cast iron, the 3 quart is plenty big for one. I had one and used it for 20+ years, but for packing on your back I recommend a tin or copper pot. A quart tin cup and a spoon works if you haul a coffee pail too. Cast iron is fine for cooking but only if you’re packing it on a pony or somebody else is carrying it. It gets heavier by the mile.
 
I've been doing hearth and campfire cooking for three decades, and have done my fair share of cooking demonstrations and taught campfire/hearth cooking.

So you want to cook a stew/soup/boil a game hen, and you want to bake something like cornbread and/or biscuits or a bannock? Right? AND you would like to do both in one object? I'm stating the premise to make sure I give you the proper response. Because, you can do both those things with a brass trade kettle (which is a small brass pail), and a steel or iron frying pan, which are a lot lighter. You just have to learn the techniques, so there is a bit of a "learning curve".

I also agree, there is some merit to keeping things as simple as possible.


What you Do Not Want is a potjie. They are very tough to bake in. You will need a pie tin or plate that will fit inside the opening for the potjie and a trivet to rest that upon within the potjie because the bottom is round not flat. PLUS my Scottish frugal side is showing and they are too expensive.

That leaves the classic Dutch Oven. (Now the classic Dutch Oven that everybody thinks about is a 19th century thing, IF that matters.)

But we're keeping it simple. So you're looking at a classic Dutch Oven with the raised edge on the lid and legs. Stay away from the big name brands; you don't need to overpay. You should be looking (imho) at a 5-quart Ozark Trail Dutch Oven, for under $30. (My Scottish frugal-genes are showing)

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The price is very good. The drawbacks are the modern bale, and that handle on the lid isn't cast onto the lid. (Probably a way to keep cost down.) A "legged" Dutch Oven or a cast-iron pot with legs means that using a grill instead of placing it on the ground or hanging it from a tripod can be a problem. All proper Dutch Ovens can have their lid inverted and used as a skillet of sorts. Just watch the grease if you do pork especially bacon, as get much grease and it spills over and you get a flare up of flames on the campfire.


I have one of these, and as mentioned, in the one that I own the handle is not cast but is attached with a steel screw from inside. Also, it's a "5-Quart" but NOBODY fills them up to the brim, so no matter what you see in any brand name's ad, they hold less when being used for cooking The above one is actually 3-quarts of usable cooking volume. ;)You can still invert that lid and cook on it as you would a steel skillet. PLUS the price is so low that if you decide you don't like it you've not dropped much coin. I ordered mine from Wally World.

Now you might see one of these if you look at all the cool cast iron at Wally World. It's called a "Double Dutch Oven", and it runs about $20 more than the Ozark D.O. This is great for folks cooking at home on a stove, as it can also be used for camp use. The ads show it being used to bake in both the lid and the lower portion (obviously having been in a modern oven). I prefer to think of them as "Double" because you can use them at home on the stove top, or in the oven, or in camp. (The legs on a classic Dutch Oven or a potjie mean they cannot be used on a home stove.)

View attachment 366701 No legs means it works very well on a grill with folding legs, and pretty much needs something like that. That's how you will see this used in camp. The lid is much deeper than on a traditional 19th century Dutch Oven, so it's great when inverted if you do something like fried chicken, or deep fried potatoes/french fries. The lid, however with it not having a centered loop for lifting, means the cook needs to use a pair of hot-pot-pads to lift the lid to check on anything baked, and there is no raised edge to hold coals. So when one lifts the lid when baking, one knocks off the coals first. When done checking, the lid is replaced, and fresh coals are then shoveled on top. Some folks have no worries with this as they would be refreshing the coals no matter what, so it is manageable. Further, when keeping it simple, a grill or grate with folding legs is pretty easy to transport and store.


View attachment 366702


So those are pretty much your options to be as simple as possible and not break the bank.

You're in Chestertown, and I'm in Damascus, so if you need some first-hand tips, send me a PM and I can show you how to use some of the stuff.

LD
Hi Dave, Thanks for the offer, I'll probably take you up on it some time, as I could use some sage wisdom on getting everything together for Forts Fredrick and Louden next year. I have a flat bottomed 10' Lodge Dutch oven and a collection of cast iron in various states of use or disrepair. So I have a pretty good modern selection for campfire cooking.

And I've got a PC 1/2 gallon brass kettle as well as a gallon tin kettle ( that I need to test for lead solder), so the Potjie is a sort of PC way to get some cast iron in the mix.


The down sides to baking in the Potjie that you illustrated, are why I was considering a larger size, but I'm ok with a bit of "experimental archeology" in figuring things out, and it would not be out of character for me to consume something closer to fry bread than biscuits.

With the drought and wind, I haven't had any fires, but next week is supposed to give an inch of rain, so I'll be trying to get some cooking done.
 
I'm getting my kitchen gear together for next year. I'm going to try and limit self to one cast item, some sort of lidded Dutch oven or A Potjie, which is an old style cauldron with legs. Its just going to be me cooking for my self, so I'm figured about 1 gallon Potjie would be a good size. Of course they don't come in 1 gallon. Sizes go from 3/4 gallon directly to 1 1/2 gallons. And then if I look at the "chart" a 2 gallon pot is only 3 pounds heavier. Which for whatever reason seems so much more of an "efficient" use of cast iron. The chart is copied from Lemans non electric.

So I'm wondering what size would be practical for feeding just my self, and what size iron pots where the most common in the 18th century?
Thanks, Woody

"
Sizes:

  • 3 Qt: 8", 12 lb
  • 1.5 Gal: 91⁄2", 17 lb
  • 2 Gal: 101⁄2", 20 lb
  • 3.5 Gal: Total height - 17", Pot height - 14", 37 lb
  • 4.75 Gal: Total height - 17", Pot height - 15" 46 lb
  • 9 Gal: Total height - 19", Pot height - 16", Lid height - 3", 72 lb
  • 14.75 Gal: Total height - 22", Pot height - 18", 110 lb
  • 18.5 Gal: Total height - 26", Pot height - 18", 131 lb"
Buy a small brass or tin lined copper kettle, if you want to save weight and be authentic.
 
I'll tell you this... I do Rendezvous and each event I try to reduce my gear to the smallest quantity. I go with the smallest items that can still get the job done.
 
I use a smallish African bell pot in base camp. Gift from friend whose son worked game farm in S. Africa. Two chicken thighs, mixed veggies and Ramen noodles a satisfying and filling meal. For long hunter, voyager canoe trips mountain man tin lined brass or copper pots and corn boilers, steel fry pans - no cast iron. For entertaining at national rendezvous or 1 1/2 mo. long hunting camps, 8 to 14 inch Dutch ovens for everything from sourdough breads, cobbler, stews, turkeys, Cornish game hens. pizza. Did 3 pizzas in the 14 inch at one time. Dutch ovens without legs aren't just for use as ovens but stews, braising too. For southwestern re enactment a Mexican comal is handy. A comal is rectangular sheet griddle with one or two iron handles. Fits over rocks or two staples. Decide your re enactment persona, do research and go from there.
 
I think the small one would fit you just fine… What I did find out is that the capacity listed on the pots are nominal… Actual capacity is somewhat less… after taking a graduated pitcher and filling one with Water I was pretty amazed to find out that it wasn’t the capacity listed…. So if you’re in question…. up by one size.
 
Seems like you're set on having some cast iron in your camp but I remember reading Joseph Plum Martin's accounts of his experiences in the war. He mentioned that cast iron kettles were tossed into the ditches along the roadside as they were too heavy to carry. Using a small brass or tin kettle would be better for your impression. It might be a bit of a learning curve, and you may need to alter your food choices, but it will be more in keeping with the time frame you'll be "living" in. Just my two cents. Take it for what it's worth.

That's all for now. Take care and until next time...be well.

snapper
 
Seems like you're set on having some cast iron in your camp but I remember reading Joseph Plum Martin's accounts of his experiences in the war. He mentioned that cast iron kettles were tossed into the ditches along the roadside as they were too heavy to carry. Using a small brass or tin kettle would be better for your impression. It might be a bit of a learning curve, and you may need to alter your food choices, but it will be more in keeping with the time frame you'll be "living" in. Just my two cents. Take it for what it's worth.

That's all for now. Take care and until next time...be well.

snapper
Cool. I can tell everyone that I found it in a ditch.
 
Lots of good ideas here. However if solo is the main thing it should take priority over authentic. Cast iron is heavy. I really think a wok would be a better choice for a one vessel choice. You can do anything in a wok that you can do with cast iron and it’s much lighter. Something to think about.
 
Lots of good ideas here. However if solo is the main thing it should take priority over authentic. Cast iron is heavy. I really think a wok would be a better choice for a one vessel choice. You can do anything in a wok that you can do with cast iron and it’s much lighter. Something to think about.
I use a wok here at home very often, but don't think it would do well for baking.
 
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