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What to use for pins for barrel and thimbles

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I am wondering what to use for pins for barrel and thimbles. I am building a tennessee style, 40 cal. squirrel rife 13/16 barrel, all iron. Do i use finish nails and if so, what size nails and do i use something different for the thimbles?

Also, when working with the unfinished rifle. Do i drill the hole and use the pin longer till i am ready to finish or do i use smaller diameter pins until i am ready to finish and then drill the hole bigger for the finish pins?
 
edmelott, I use 1/16" diameter weld rod. Its cheap, consistent dimension, and comes in 36" lengths. I have used #6(?) finish nail, with corresponding number, letter drill. I cut the length to size, as they tend to get bent, and catch on things, like skin, if left over long.
To clean out the pin holes after the finish is applied, I take a piece of the weld rod, put a slight taper on the end, grind a flat on one side, mount it in a drill and ream the holes. Good luck!!!
Robby
 
I use .062 dia.{ 1/16"} music wire which is very stiff and probably a spring temper. I get mine from Ace Hardware in 3' lengths and it's pretty cheap. I like the unifrom dia. and no fiddling around. I have a snippers that can cut this stuff w/o damaging the cutting edges, but it's also easy to grind a piece off. Chamfer both ends and it's set to go. I use a 1/16" drill and the pins have a nice fit. Yes, allow extra length and pull them out w/ a pliers or vise grips. After finishing, I use a 1/16" drill in a hand vise to resize the holes....Fred
 
Another source that is cheap is the lighter gauge steel clothes hangers. I keep a ready supply of hangers in the basement as they come in handy for other uses...hanging parts, tools, stocks, brushes etc.
 
I just used finishing nails, never changed the size of the hole...I did cover the hole with bees wax after all was finished...
 
Thanks guys, also do you put anything in the holes to keep the pins from working loose?
 
The pins are a slight press fit and don't work loose. To sorta "camoflage" the ends, the pins are 1/16" below the surface and mahogany shoe polish fills the holes....Fred
 
I prefer the 5/64" music wire. Only .015 larger, but much stronger and less chance of a 5/64" drill bit wandering when going through the stock. Nothing wrong with 1/16" if it works for you though. The extra strength of the 5/64" is not a great factor in this. I do prefer music wire, no matter the size used. It is spring tempered and you won't be bending kinks in it, and it is relatively cheap and found in most any good hardware store or hobby supply.
 
Bees wax...I did have one work loose on a rifle I bought in the 70s, I just put a wee bit of a bend in it and tapped it back in...
 
Ed - as per Fred, go to any Ace hardware store (or hobby store) and ask for their K&S music wire. AceHardware
one tube of 5 will last you a long time.
 
I have used the welding rod or finish nails, never used the piano wire but it "sounds" good..havin' some fun with a pun. :grin:
 
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I use music wire.

1/16" for the pins that hold in ram rod thimbles and trigger guards and 5/64" for the barrel underlugs.

The smaller wire works just fine for the lightly loaded parts that will seldom be removed.

I think the larger wire for the barrel underlugs has a couple of advantages.

Like Wick mentioned, the larger drill bit is less likely to wander. It is also longer than a 1/16" bit so it is easier to drill completely thru the forearm and be assured that the drill will pass completely thru the wood.

Another advantage of using the 5/64" pins is that one can use a 1/16" pin as a punch to drive the larger pins out when the barrel needs to be removed. The smaller 1/16" pin punch won't scrape on the holes which might possibly enlarge them.

Because the music wire is precision ground its size is very exact. That results in the hole made by a standard drill bit being exactly the same size as the wire.
These "line to line" fits will hold the pins in place nicely once they are installed.

This music wire is a high carbon alloy steel and it comes in a spring temper so it's very hard to cut. I've ruined a few wire cutters by taking a shortcut and trying to cut the wire with them.
Turns out the wire is harder and tougher than many wire cutters.

To cut music wire, it can be annealed by heating it red hot and then slowly cooling it.
Once annealed a hack saw or wire cutters will cut thru it.
If you have a Dremel tool with a cut off wheel, that will grind its way thru it.
The corner of a bench grinders wheel will also work but its kind of messy and dangerous.

After the wire is cut it's a good idea to lightly break the sharp edges on both ends by forming a little chamfer. This helps the pins find their way thru the hole in the metal part.

PS: Because music wire is made out of a good hardening steel it can be used to make things like tiny chisels.
The end does have to be annealed before it can be pounded flat and rough shaped. Then it can be easily hardened by heating it red hot and oil quenching it.
Grind stones/whet stones/silicone carbide sandpaper and polishing will then make a razor sharp edge.
I installed mine in small pieces of wooden dowels.
Just the thing for installing small inlays and getting into small corners :)
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I use finishing nails. They come in a number size like #15,#16, #17, etc. I like to use the ones that are near 1/16" or even a little smaller. I can always go larger if needed, because of hole wear, but it hasn't happened yet. I also made up a bunch of wood handled pins so when I am fitting something up on the stock like barrel tennons, etc. I can remove them easily by grabbing the wood handle so I don't injure the wood using a punch to drive them out. Here is a good chance to use a pin about .005 undersize from the finished pin, so it is easy to remove and doesn't bugger the wood.
 
Hawken in the works, entry pipe. Pins are cut from a clothes hanger. The wire was the exact same size as a drill in my index, so I used it. Bill

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I've used both hanger wire and finish nails. To keep them from working loose, I drill my first hole through the wood, tenon and wood a bit under the size of the pin. I then drill out the hole in the tenon slightly over the size of the pin. This way, once you drive in the pin, it'll sit tight in the wood and shouldn't ever work its way out.
 
I like sheet rock nails. The ones with the cupped heads for holding putty. They are .093 and have 1 3/8" clear of head and point. The point is very sharp with no burrs. I cut the point off and use the head for pulling the nail when I need to take the barrel out while building. I like holes larger than about .070, because the 1/16" drills can wander while drilling a hole. Stiffer ones, no problem.
 
I use piano wire from the hobby store. I make long ones with a loop in the end for building, and make new ones for the finished rifle.
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