When to soften leather?

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Little Wattsy

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It was asked previously HOW to soften the leather on a project....My questions is WHEN?
Does it make sence to cut out the pattern, THEN SOFTEN (with mink oil, neets, or?), and THEN sew it all together??? :hmm:

Somehow I can see a slickery awl going underneath my fingernail :shocked2:
Better BrownBear then me I say!! :grin:
 
I guess you'd probably get more than one answer but I just cut the pieces out,build the bag, turn it inside out, finish it up and rarely put anything on it, leaving that up to the person the bag is for or who buys it, to put their favorite concoction on it to water proof, soften it.
 
With soft leather you have to be really careful not to draw the thread so tight that it puckers the leather. yet you have to get it "tight enough." Those requirements are lots easier for me with a firm leather. If you're going to finish or dye the leather, you would want to do that before softening too, because oils or whatever might interfere.

it's a tossup whether I dye before or after sewing. If I'm adding a finish or an oil, I want to do that after the bag has been turned.
 
I have a couple things to add to this, if you want to soften a veg tan bag before or after you dye it, throw it in the dryer with a couple of clean tennis shoes and NO HEAT! air only and let it run for a half hour or so, this works very well, also works well with buckskin that's hardened up a bit, as far as mink oil goes, I dont use it, the stuff they produce and sell today as mink oil has more petroleum based products in it than any kind of animal oils, they wave a carcass of a dead mink over the vat and squeeze a drop of it into the mix to be able to call it mink oil, your best bet is UN-SULFINATED neetsfoot or better yet, bear grease, lard (unsalted), good lanolin, anything that is animal based, and all animal based, same goes for adding oils to a horn, especially a buff horn, an old master saddler who is long gone now apprenticed at the turn of last century beat it into me, animal to animal, no petroleums or synthetics on leather!
 
For "mink oil" I use the real deal, the mink oil grease patch lube from TOW. It's supposedly 100%. Dandy all-weather patch lube, but leather seems to really like it too. It's sure cheap enough!
 
I was told by a friend that deer can smell the bear grease. He also told me that he went into a barn and the horses went crazy. Is this true or did the horses just not trust him.
 
Frosty said:
I was told by a friend that deer can smell the bear grease. He also told me that he went into a barn and the horses went crazy. Is this true or did the horses just not trust him.

I've taken 11 Flintlock deer all with Bear Greased patches, most within 40 yards. I've sat there and watched two very nice bucks walk by never lifting my gun because I didn't want to shoot those two. One was 18 yards from me. My Uncle shot a Bear using Bear Greased path lube too at 18 yards. If ya don't let them smell ya in the first place, there shouldn't be a problem. Always watch the wind.
 
Frosty said:
I was told by a friend that deer can smell the bear grease. He also told me that he went into a barn and the horses went crazy. Is this true or did the horses just not trust him.

We had a hand who had that affect on animals. He could walk into a pasture and send cows and horses screaming for the back fence. I don't know what it was, but they sure didn't like him. Kind of a rodeo every time he went to saddle a horse. Collected more dog bites than a UPS driver, too. Just had that affect on animals---- any animal.
 
BrownBear said:
Frosty said:
I was told by a friend that deer can smell the bear grease. He also told me that he went into a barn and the horses went crazy. Is this true or did the horses just not trust him.

We had a hand who had that affect on animals. He could walk into a pasture and send cows and horses screaming for the back fence. I don't know what it was, but they sure didn't like him. Kind of a rodeo every time he went to saddle a horse. Collected more dog bites than a UPS driver, too. Just had that affect on animals---- any animal.

Demonic! For sure! :shocked2:
 
Animals read both odors, and Body language. If you get around animals and are tense, they will sense it and shy away from you.

The "secret" of changing how animals react to you is to slow down to a STOP, relax, calm down, and let them approach you first. Don't talk to them- they don't know you. Don't wave your arms around- you are the boogey man in the night the fear. Don't run or make fast motions: you are a stranger to them, and they are genetically trained to run from strange or different animals, or people. Don't fear them; they can smell it on you. If you are afraid of animals- any kind-- stay away from them unless accompanied by an experienced animal handler who can help the animals understand your behavior.

Do not reach out to pet or touch another person's animals, until that animal has sniffed you, and decided that you are okay. Wait for them to make the first move.

The fact that an animal growls or nips at you, or runs away or shies away from your touch is NOT PERSONAL. The animal is simply relying on his instincts for self preservation until he learns who you are by your smell, then how you move, then your voice, and finally, what you appear to be.

Unlike Humans, few animals rely FIRST on their sense of sight. I know of no other members of the Mammal family that do. Raptors do so, but they rely on their sight to find food, too.

I have been called the " pied Piper of Cats and Dogs, by relatives and friends because I get along with just about all pets and animals. I know how to make them comfortable when they are around me.

I tested this just last Wednesday, when a neighbor walked by with her little dog, who was jumping up around and running from her, because of some local kids trying to pet the dog. I let her sniff me, and run away from me, and then I ignored it, talking to its owner.

It took a few minutes after the kids left, and for us to settle into our conversation for the dog to finally gear down, and finally sit down and wait for its owner to continue the "walk". The dog paid me no further attention. That is what I wanted it to do around its owner. But, in calming down, the dog indicated it was no longer afraid of me, or of being around me. I had been "accepted".

Ranch hands need to learn these skills to be successful. See Pat Parelli's website to learn how to deal with horses. He's the master.

Paul
 
Your explanation is a lot closer to the truth, Swampy.

This guy could walk by animals downwind and out of sight, and they'd get stirred up. Animals that had never seen him before, and couldn't see him at the time. Nice guy and it embarrassed hell out of him, but there was some kind of possession going on. Heck, he wasn't even a hunter!
 

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