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I live in Nelson province of New Zealand , I hunt with flint rifles there are thousands of square miles just to hunt all the deer you want, when you want no closed seasons . Deer & Pigs classed as pests '.Noxious animals' is the term used . So I don't quite follow the difficulty mentioned . I write of D. O. C. lands ( Read Crown or state ) the permits free . Perhaps he lives in farm or station country . I hunted in Australia been all over the back country camped hundreds of times ( I was sort of a swaggy) never worried nor confronted by snakes and ide be down near a creek cum sundown , Got one spider bite but that's not much harm in all the years I was around Australia . Polititions (And useualy Police) are a different matter . Laws are all anti gun .Blatently stupid cant have a long arm of any age in NSW unless licensed but you can but any pre 1900 pistol . Go figure as I couldn't !.

I passed though one time with a antigue ML double rifle & a Needle fire Rook rifle these they impounded at Mascot Airport .I collected them on my later departure and they where really fumeing hostile treating me like I had AK 47s and wore cammo ( I dislike either !) .A child of five could own these two I mention with out liscence of any sort in UK . That's how stupid their laws are and most States are the same only Vieing with each other as to how negative & anti gun they can be .. This is not the case in NZ you can have stuff denied in UK. But of course there are all allways anti gun pushers in Police or Govt .However relations with the Police in regards to fire arms are largley fair & fine . Though over seas embassies /consuls seem to tell migrants they cant take their gun but they can . The Police say you can post a gun overseas but the Post office which is private wont take guns some radical Union rep perhaps but its annoying .
Rudyard
 
I live in Western Australia, sympathise with Rudyard ! I have hunted and competed with muzzle loading arms since about the age of 12, when I started of with an old Pat 53 that was found in the station store room, I still have it by the way.
Great site, have only just seen this sub forum
 
Heelerau said:
I live in Western Australia, sympathise with Rudyard ! I have hunted and competed with muzzle loading arms since about the age of 12, when I started of with an old Pat 53 that was found in the station store room, I still have it by the way.
Great site, have only just seen this sub forum
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Hi heelerau, there are indeed a few of us here...
I shoot at Perth MLC, first owned muzzleloaders from about 1978 (shooting at Albany Western Australia) but resumed club shooting about 7 years ago.
 
Well Ime here in Nelson NZ there are some on British Militaria Forum but cant recall any on M L F There is ' Le Loop' up in NSW Or maybe Qld . He set up his own forum but not seen any of it since and he had mostly US posters . Not that I have the remotest objection to that.( I probably have many vices but Parochialism isn't one of them.) Some Reenactors went from WA to' do' Waterloo in 1995 but they had hired prop muskets. WA was allways anti gun I worked at Dampier in 1966 & had to improvise with jumper bits.( Heelerau 's seen some of my rough improvisations ) but I did buy a half pound tin of C&H No 4 before I went up only place 'Ive ever heard of selling half pound tins .Do you know a Darryl Melbin per chance .
Regards Rudyard
 
One of our less good characteristics, goes back to our convict heritage, we will disagree behind the systems back, but won't face it as we have learned to bitter cost that you get ground down to dust. We have at least got the Sporting Shooters Associaton of Australia, a less powerful version of your NRA, but still it does some good work.
I too, did buy some half pound tins of C&H FFFFg, still have one empty tin !Don't know Darryl. Will catch up with ChrisPer at the range in due course !
 
While recognising your right to an opinion, might I ask if you've been to Australia? Perhaps tried to shoot and had some terrible experience? I've been shooting here for 55 years, pistols, rifles and guns; modern and historic without thinking I'm oppressed or limited. The quality of elected representatives and police must always be monitored but I think your swipe was odd coming from the glass house in the the shadow of Brexit.

J
 
Whanganui just accross the strieght . I speak fluent Flintlocks , I should, I've made enough & shot them for 60 years !.You could PM me if it suits you . Cheers Rudyard
 
Rudyard,
just found a mob in Melbourne who will dispatch me some hollow bar, I am looking at using 16mm ID 32mm OD , I reckon the walls should be heavy enough and allow some sort of taper after I file a hexagonal section?
 
Dear Heelerau .So bore about 5/8th" & Od I &1/4" in real measurments ( I never adopted the Bonapartist rubbish ) Youde be hard put to burst that .What theyde called ' The Smaller shoots' & 'indifferent bore under arquebuss '. Be just right for the lock which .should be there by now . Be hard to file Ide say get it in a lathe and get one of those panel beaters multy edges sorts that shear off a lot of steel once you cut below the Lathe work hardening itle fly off well slowly fly off but youle get there .Might improuve for Enealing get the tension out of it we only want wrought iron softness .But its hard to get the right impurity ridden iron these days!. What style stocking you fancy but Ide go fishtail on a lighter scale than for the service Caliver /Musket , be like a fowling piece but up to you . What fun be like Adelaide years ago .
Regards Rudyard
 
Mate, I am looking fishtail like the one you had in Adelaide, and I remember it held fine, guessing it will handle a bit more like a more modern stock re sighting and shoulder placement. No signs of the lock as yet, can take 3 weeks to get stuff from the eastern states, no idea how long from NZ. Will of course email you from my home email when I get news of it. Had another look at the steering column that will do for a barrel but for some other project. Will be in touch anyway. ThoughtI might breath a bit of life into this little sub thread from down under. Trust all is well with you ..cheer I do agree about this Bonaparte rubbish, what was the point of winning Waterloo. I still reckon they took all the colour out of life when we changed from pounds shillings and pence,, not to mention pecks, gils roods and the like.
 
I had a terrible time trying to get my ML into AU for the World Matches 3 years ago. The police said I could not fly into the Sydney airport with it and leave the airport with it since I had no legal reason to have it in their State, since the shoot was in a different State. It took a lot of effort, phone calls and emails to get it sorted out. I finally got digging around into the laws and found that it allowed me to specifically do what I was wanting to do. Once I email that to the head of the State Police, I was granted the permit.

I was then really worried that when it came time to go home that I would be granted the export permit. Spent too much time in the Customs office trying to get that taken care of at the airport as well.

Fleener
 
Tis sad All the Australian States seem to have this extreme down on guns of any sort .Yet concoct the oddest anti gun laws . NSW demand All LONG guns any age be liscenced .While any pre 1900 pistol needs non .I mean where is their head at ?. Victoria have a down on Pepperboxes if grudgingly except single shot muzzle loaders . West Australia where always anti gun you need written OK from a landowner Not so bad. If the Australian re enactors who went to Waterloo hired Prop guns from Babties . South Australia have similar illogical notions & Qld went nuts and I lost my double rifle & a flintlock one that I kept on a Station Nr Surat . You get the picture ?
If you do tell me as I could never figure it out !. Now NZ s gone anti & illogical but not aimed at BP stuff as yet but they cant be trusted .' Brave new world ' You in the US & Canada get this anti stuff not I expect too focussed on BP stuff but to a rabid anti' ANY gun is fair game . I once landed in Sydney I had a original double ML & a needle fire Bayou Rook & Rabbit c 1860 a child of 5 can own in UK .But they went nuts impounded them so I visited & on leaveing demanded my guns . Oh what a performance youde think I was dolled in cammo & wanted my AK 47 back they reluctantly got them and escorted me like Is was a public menace . I get to NZ ,Customs say ' OK see police 'they say "Gu day , What you got this time ? " bit of paper, finish, away I go . Today every minor official or post office Clark reckons they are empowered to querrie any thing they don't understand , We cant post guns because some post office union bod thinks gun are bad Ju Ju and his members should not be tainted by such evil . Idiots rally round a gun auction so force the building owners to decline its use despite being happy for many many years . Some Luny shoots up a mosque. So every owner of similar guns is deemed culpable & penalised by draconian bans That they had done no crime was deemed irrelavant the PM wanted to make a typical lefty trendy gesture so demonized shooters . Brave new world .
Cheers ? Rudyard
 
Hello Oldtrobh, I'm in the home country,and do speek a fair bit of Flintlocease. I have shot with Rudyard for about 60 years. Shot F/L & Caplock all over UK and Europe . A couple of times in RSA. Have never been to Oz but son live down in the S.E. corner. Missed out on a trip last July owing to a tumble.. Like Rudyard - PM any time.. The Greenswlde Should read GREENSWYLDE..OLD DOG
 
I’m an expat Yank living in Queensland for 22 years. I grew up in Montana and immigrated from Idaho. I’m a blackpowder tragic!
As for myself, I don’t think the firearms regulations here are particularly oppressive or unreasonable (though some are rather illogical). However I’m sure that without the SSAA the situation would be much worse.
I believe that what keeps gun related tragedies at a minimum in Australia is not the strength of any legislation but rather the lack of a “gun culture”. Australians use their firearms like tools...we store them properly, use them when we need them and put them away when we are done. Americans (in general) glorify the use of firearms. They never seem to put them away (figuratively speaking). I know what I am talking about because I was a deputy sheriff over there AND I was a long time card-carrying member of the NRA.
 

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