where can i find kasenit

[Pioneer flinter]

does any body know where I can order a can of kasenit hardening compound I have tride track of the wolf and Dixie and my search come back no product found thank you all very much.

 

[Stophel]

Apparently, Kasenit is no longer manufactured! :shocked2: Which doesn't make me happy! You may be able to scrounge around on the internet and come across some somewhere.

There is this stuff called "Cherry Red" surface hardening compound, which is supposed to be similar to Kasenit. I have not tried it yet, so I don't know how well it works. It probably works fine. When I get my own shop back up and running in the next few months, I'll get some myself and give it a shot.
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/119479/cherry-red-surface-hardening-compound-1-lb

 

[sc45-70]

Enco has Cherry Red case hardening compound.
www.use-enco.com
800-use-enco

SC45-70

 

[Stophel]

Much cheaper there than at Midway! cool.

:wink:

 

[Zonie]

Maybe this link will give a more direct view of the product?
http://www.use-enco.com/CGI/INSRIT?PMAKA=328-1122&PMPXNO=25219237&PARTPG=INLMK3

It does look like it is about the same as Kasenit.

For folks who haven't used either of these products a little goes a Looooooong way.

Also remember, after coating the part, the longer it is kept red hot after reheating the deeper the hardened case depth will be.
Also, wear eye protection.
When the red hot coated part is dropped into the water quench the coating of Kasenit (or Cherry Red?) will pop with pieces of it flying in all directions.

 

[blackdog of vt]

This is what I use.... http://www.brownells.com/gunsmith-...ing/surface-hardening-compound-prod27119.aspx

 

[Pioneer flinter]

thank you guys the brownells product sounds good I just need to wait till the get it in stock. I have a pedersoli frizzen that I ran a file across and left a good scar. so I think I need to reharden the frizzen. thanks again and shoot straight.

 

[Zonie]

I often use my Kasenit to case harden the slotted screw heads on my guns.

It prevents me and any future owners from boogering up the slots with their screw drivers.

 

[M. De Land]

Do you draw the temper on case hardened screws? Mike D.

 

[tbarnes66]

You can get Kasenit from Muzzleloaders Building Supply
http://www.muzzleloaderbuilderssupply.com/mbs2cart/agora.cgi?cart_id=1131685.10003&p_id=29770&xm=on

 

[drhall762]

Case hardening forms a shell, for lack of a better term, around the softer metal by imparting carbon into the metal. Inside that hard shell is still the softer metal. I have not heard the term tempering used with case hardening.

 

[bpd303]

You can get Kasenit from Muzzleloaders Building Supply
http://www.muzzleloaderbuilderssup...art_id=1131685.10003&p_id=29770&xm=on[/quote]
The link says discontinued with 000 for price.

I have used Cherry Red and it is every bit as good as Kasenit.

 

[tbarnes66]

Since I bought some from MBS only a few months ago, I didn't even notice that they had discontinued it.

Ryan was re-packaging it and I guess he can't get anymore either.

 

[Zonie]

Do you draw the temper on case hardened screws? Mike D.

There's no need to draw and temper it.

The thickness of the case is seldom over a few thousandths of an inch deep with these products and the material below the case is still the soft low carbon steel screws we commonly use.

With a water quench the surface of the treated screws is very hard and strong so it does resist deforming.

Because of the thin nature of the case hardening the use of sandpaper or a whet stone to "shine them up" will usually result in removing the case.

If the screw head is highly polished before the treatment the light roughness and discoloration from adding the case and quenching it is easily removed with some polishing or buffing compound.

Now, I started off saying "there is no need" and I'll stick with that if we are speaking of removing the brittle nature of hardened steel.

I usually do "heat blue" the screw head after re-polishing it and this does inadvertently temper the hardened steel to a spring steel hardness.

Tempering isn't the goal here but I truly do like the rich dark blue color heat bluing gives.

 

[44-henry]

Tempering is not only possible with case hardening, but at times it is necessary. Many times the carbon will penetrate right through thin sections converting them to steel and the hardness needs to be taken back a bit.

I have also found with color case hardening that the colors are improved when tempered at about 450 degrees F for an hour.

Alex Johnson