I have a muzzleloading rifle but am thinking of getting a pistol. I have a .45 cal ml pistol but it is an older kit gun that someone had definitely mistreated so the pitting in the barrel is so bad I didn't even think it ever had rifling at first. So here's what I can't decide between. I was thinking either a traditions kentucky .50 cal caplock pistol kit, or a traditions 1851 navy .44. I really have no experience with shooting pistols at all and am only going to use these for target shooting or as a sidearm when small game hunting. Thanks.
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Toomuch_36
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Given your parameters I think I would start with the revolver to carry hunting, however you may find that you'll want to go with the pistol for target (competition) shooting.
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I have both a revolver and the other pistol you mentioned. I like shooting the Kentucky the best. In our state they can not be used for hunting so that is not an issue. If you have a .50 rifle i would go with the caplock Kentucky and then you can use the same goodies for both.
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You could see about having the barrel freshened to a larger caliber say 54 cal by bob hoyt 717-642-6696. I have a lyman plains pistol in 54 caliber in Illinois you can hunt deer with that pistol provided it has a 6 inch barrel or longer(seel the lyman bp handbook #2). If it is a lyman Plains you can get replacement barrels from midsouth shooters supply for around 50.00, or other places I am sure if midsouth requires the barrel to be sent to a FFL. Getting that in 54 cal. Consider that a replacement barrel will save you some real cash and you could save enough to get the revolver to boot.
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Good point.Ghettogun said:
In Pa. too you would not be allowed to use the wheel gun in the late flintlock season , but in all other firearms seasons it would be okey.
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luie b said:
In as much as you will always get some Cadilacs and some lemons from all manufactures, and in the case of "kits" the poor quality often comes from "less than pristene" assembly. Traditions is an overwelmingly quality, reliable manufacturer.
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I'd go for the revolver, it could come in handy in the woods.
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If and only IF an adult is going to be with you when you load and shoot, should a 15 year old be handling a hand gun, especially if you have NO EXPERIENCE with hand guns!
Whole new set of Rules and responsibilities Lucas!
IMHO a .22 LR to plink with is a good trainer. Then step-up to a black powder hand gun, after you can hit the broad side of the barn!
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Whole new set of Rules and responsibilities Lucas!
IMHO a .22 LR to plink with is a good trainer. Then step-up to a black powder hand gun, after you can hit the broad side of the barn!
Dave
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I had bought a kit without a barrel off of ebay. Called Traditions and bought a new barrel from them. All of the parts for this pistol were very good quality and I was quite impressed with the barrel (especially for the money). It shoots Very well. I highly recommend this pistol. The only thing I do not like about it is the "clunky" looking nose piece which departs from the "authentic" style.
I have some experience with handguns but I don't shoot them too often. My uncle has several .22 semi auto pistols that I have shot and I wasn't too bad with them at 25 yards. I like the revolvers better because my grandpa let me shoot his .22 revolver and I was hitting claybirds at 30 yards off of a fence post while leaning on a tree. I have a muzzleloading .45 cal smoothbore pistol but it doesn't shoot well beyond 10 yards due to all the pitting in the barrel and the fact that there is no rifling.smokin .50 said:
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luie b said:
Check your State's laws regarding what a hand gun is in IL! I have it on good authority that no distinction is made as to whether or not a "hand gun" has to be smokeless/centerfire, in fact the opposite is true, therefore a single-shot pistol or a revolver that uses black powder requires AN ADULT purchase, store, and supervise use of it in your State! So if you don't LIVE WITH your Uncle or your Grand Dad at the SAME ADDRESS, your Dad needs to go through the permit to purchase a hand gun process! Here in NJ, a BB gun is considered a hand gun and requires a permit the same as a centerfire!
So how many hand guns does your Dad have under his permits? Is he a registered firearms owner with your State?
A few more 500-round bricks of .22 LR should be in your future PRIOR to even considering this purchase, and then ONLY with your Dad's consent, since he's the person who has to register it! And then he has to be there EVERY time that it gets fired!
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In Illinois a FOID card let's you buy any legal firearm as long as you go through the proper waiting times. My dad has an old .22 cal revolver also but it's always been messed up and it stays around because it was his dad's that he carried for protection from the wild dogs that lingered around town while he went mushrooming or berry picking. All of this just seems weird to you since you're in New Jersey who seems to have odd gun laws. In fact my uncle has been pushing me to buy a black powder revolver. The single shot pistol was him.
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luie b said:
Actually NONE of this seems weird to me! Are you ever going to give some straight answers to my questions? I believe that you will find several in my last post. Illinois and New Jersey have a lot in common these days as far as firearms laws. I just went to the Illinois State Police web site for lots of info! Do you have a FOID Card in your name? Are you aware that a single-shot black powder hand gun in your State is considered every bit a hand gun as a 500 S&W? And that you must be 21 to purchase, transport, or offer for sale a hand gun in your State!
Obfuscate if you will, but even my 20 year old (who has a NJ type FOID Card) knows better than to be transporting a hand gun when he's not old enough to own one!
Oh, and I'm still waiting for the PT from you so that I can send you my toll-free phone number, so that I may converse with your Dad.
The ball's in your court!
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Yes, I do have a foid card in my name. My uncle has been pushing me to get some black powder revolvers and single shot pistols and he knows more about Illinois gun laws than you. So I am going to trust him and I will just keep on keeping on.smokin .50 said:
And here I was thinking that Illinois was a pretty restrictive state when it came to firearms!!!
Here in Arizona, where an adult can carry a loaded pistol on their hip in downtown Phoenix or elsewhere (except for some Government buildings), where there are no cards proving you are allowed by the State to own or use a pistol or any other firearm for that matter we still do not allow actual ownership of a pistol by a minor.
Furthermore, minors must have adult supervision when shooting or carrying a pistol in our State.
Oh, and blackpowder pistols are considered to be actual firearms as far as the State laws are concerned.
Seems like Paul V is a lawyer back in that neck of the woods. I wonder what he has to say about this?
Here in Arizona, where an adult can carry a loaded pistol on their hip in downtown Phoenix or elsewhere (except for some Government buildings), where there are no cards proving you are allowed by the State to own or use a pistol or any other firearm for that matter we still do not allow actual ownership of a pistol by a minor.
Furthermore, minors must have adult supervision when shooting or carrying a pistol in our State.
Oh, and blackpowder pistols are considered to be actual firearms as far as the State laws are concerned.
Seems like Paul V is a lawyer back in that neck of the woods. I wonder what he has to say about this?
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If you look in the state hunting regs for Illinois Youths cannot use handguns for hunting until they are 21. Paul should be able to shed more light on this but were are a state that has been legislated to the point of stupidity. The Illinois laws consider muzzleloaders Firearms, and air guns that shooot over a certan FPS (thank you inlines)but we are not required to wait 24 hours to pick them up like long guns. I can still order parts in the mail but I am not sure if a barrel is considered a part or in the category of a "reciever" I believe I can only possess 5 lb of black powder but 25 lb of smokeless. DUH DUH DUH I live in the peoples republic of ILLISTAN.
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Thanks for backing me up!
I'm just trying to make sure that a forum member doesn't wind-up "in the big house".
Also, check out Fredrader's thread on his 1860. Seems three out of six chambers went-off at the same time! He's O-K, but I wouldn't want my 15 year old kid to have it happen to him (or anybody else) for that matter!
I'm starting to think that our chains are once more being "yanked"!
Dave
I'm just trying to make sure that a forum member doesn't wind-up "in the big house".
Also, check out Fredrader's thread on his 1860. Seems three out of six chambers went-off at the same time! He's O-K, but I wouldn't want my 15 year old kid to have it happen to him (or anybody else) for that matter!
I'm starting to think that our chains are once more being "yanked"!
Dave
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