Which to Get?

[luieb45]

I think I'll get the traditions kentucky pistol kit. If I get that I don't have to buy anything extra for it since I have everything I need for it. Mostly what I want to do with it is build the thing and have some experience with building kit guns and then someday buy a kit rifle and build that.

 

[jethro224]

The Illinois firearms laws are confusing. As far as I know an Illinois resident must be at least 21 years of age and hold an FOID card to legally purchase or possess a handgun or handgun ammunition.

Here are some quotes from the IL criminal codes;

(720 ILCS 5/24”‘1.6)
Sec. 24”‘1.6. Aggravated unlawful use of a weapon.
(a) A person commits the offense of aggravated unlawful use of a weapon when he or she knowingly:
(1) Carries on or about his or her person or in any

vehicle or concealed on or about his or her person except when on his or her land or in his or her abode, legal dwelling, or fixed place of business, or on the land or in the legal dwelling of another person as an invitee with that person's permission, any pistol, revolver, stun gun or taser or other firearm; or

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and
(3) One of the following factors is present:

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(I) the person possessing the weapon was under

21 years of age and in possession of a handgun as defined in Section 24”‘3, unless the person under 21 is engaged in lawful activities under the Wildlife Code or described in subsection 24”‘2(b)(1), (b)(3), or 24”‘2(f).

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24”‘1.6 do not apply to or affect any of the following:
(1) Members of any club or organization organized

for the purpose of practicing shooting at targets upon established target ranges, whether public or private, and patrons of such ranges, while such members or patrons are using their firearms on those target ranges.

(3) Hunters, trappers or fishermen with a license or

permit while engaged in hunting, trapping or fishing.

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(f) Subsection 24”‘1(a)(4) and subsection 24”‘1(a)(10) and Section 24”‘1.6 do not apply to members of any club or organization organized for the purpose of practicing shooting at targets upon established target ranges, whether public or private, while using their firearms on those target ranges.
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"handgun" is defined as a firearm designed to be held and fired by the use of a single hand, and includes a combination of parts from which such a firearm can be assembled.

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[Dave Rosenthal]

And the answers to my questions still remain unanswered?

A custom-built pistol loading stand as well as a Range Rod and the proper acc's for same will come-in quite handy. Especially when you dry-ball the thing! So will the proper size (usually .010 or .015) patches and some sort of case/rug/bag to transport the pistol in. A little bit more than "nothing", and it all costs money.

An unsupervised 15 year old with extremely limited hand gun experience is a danger to himself and everybody around him. The first time you double-charge the gun by accident, or worse yet, double load the gun with two separate loads (one on top of the other), you'll wish you had bought that "T" handle Range Rod.....

The horse and water thing is starting to come to mind again!

Dave

 

[Poor Private]

In Michigan you can get a hunting license at the age of 10-- Kinda tuff to hunt unless your carrying a weapon! See page 8 of the 2009 Michigan Hunting and trapping guide. They can carry but they can't buy.

 

[poordevil]

I'm starting to think that our chains are once more being "yanked"!

Dave[/quote]

me too. I think someone as rude as this should be allowed to find his own way.....sink or swim

P

 

[luieb45]

And the answers to my questions still remain unanswered?

A custom-built pistol loading stand as well as a Range Rod and the proper acc's for same will come-in quite handy. Especially when you dry-ball the thing! So will the proper size (usually .010 or .015) patches and some sort of case/rug/bag to transport the pistol in. A little bit more than "nothing", and it all costs money.

An unsupervised 15 year old with extremely limited hand gun experience is a danger to himself and everybody around him. The first time you double-charge the gun by accident, or worse yet, double load the gun with two separate loads (one on top of the other), you'll wish you had bought that "T" handle Range Rod.....

The horse and water thing is starting to come to mind again!

Dave

How are the chances to dry ball or double load the gun raised by not using your "T handled range rod?" What you are saying makes no sense. The way you speak of this range rod sounds like you are a salesman just trying to get someone to spend their money so you can get money. BTW, someone private messaged me saying that everything I am doing now is fine and that my current rod will work for a while and I should get the range rod when I start to REALLY get into shooting. You do realize that every time I shoot at the range I never even shoot more than 10 times. After that I start to lose interest and go shoot something else. Having that heavy duty range rod seems sorta useless when I barely ever go shooting.

 

[fredrader]

I'm starting to think that our chains are once more being "yanked"!

Dave

me too. I think someone as rude as this should be allowed to find his own way.....sink or swim

P[/quote]


My sentiments exactly :shake:
I remember when I was 15 and I knew everything and my dad was wrong about everything and I wouldn't listen to people trying to help me,Save me time,money,trouble,etc..I don't remember being an ass to them but maby I was..OH No I wasn't either because I would have remembered the ass whoopin I would have got from not only my dad but from any adult standing around and heard me giving a smart ass remark to someone trying to help me.. Ahh the good ol days :wink:

 

[Dave Rosenthal]

Yes, I saw that in the regs. It's the supervision aspect that I'm concerned about. Even the Hunting regs require adults to transport firearms to the hunting location(s). Most States allow kids to hunt. It's usually a "given" that a responsible adult is somewhere around.

 

[Dave Rosenthal]

And the answers to my questions still remain unanswered?

A custom-built pistol loading stand as well as a Range Rod and the proper acc's for same will come-in quite handy. Especially when you dry-ball the thing! So will the proper size (usually .010 or .015) patches and some sort of case/rug/bag to transport the pistol in. A little bit more than "nothing", and it all costs money.

An unsupervised 15 year old with extremely limited hand gun experience is a danger to himself and everybody around him. The first time you double-charge the gun by accident, or worse yet, double load the gun with two separate loads (one on top of the other), you'll wish you had bought that "T" handle Range Rod.....

The horse and water thing is starting to come to mind again!

Dave

How are the chances to dry ball or double load the gun raised by not using your "T handled range rod?" What you are saying makes no sense. The way you speak of this range rod sounds like you are a salesman just trying to get someone to spend their money so you can get money. BTW, someone private messaged me saying that everything I am doing now is fine and that my current rod will work for a while and I should get the range rod when I start to REALLY get into shooting. You do realize that every time I shoot at the range I never even shoot more than 10 times. After that I start to lose interest and go shoot something else. Having that heavy duty range rod seems sorta useless when I barely ever go shooting.

Anytime an inexperienced impetuous individual gets anywhere near a firearm, mistakes are bound to happen! It happens with Adults in our League! First-hand experience watching these things happen has taught me to instruct the inexperienced to learn to manage a dry-ball or a hang-fire situation. I'm NOT a Range Rod salesman, I don't garner an income from my advise nor do any of my acquaintances. I'm just an Expert in the field who helps RUN a Black Powder League in a 600+ person rifle & pistol club. I just don't want someone to point a hand gun with an ignition problem at themselves or another person in an inexperienced effort to clear it. The "T" handle rod lets you use a fence post, tree limb, or some other sturdy object to help pull a bad load or a stuck patch, and your ramrod won't break in two pieces or shatter due to being used in this manner.

As far as the PM you mentioned, yes you can get away without the Range Rod. Except that in your case you really should have one! Your self-admitted inexperience has taught me that it's not a matter of IF a problem will strike, but WHEN! Look what happened to "your favorite rifle"! You shot the thing, sort of cleaned it, then shot it till it wouldn't function properly any more. Then asked for our collective help. Then REFUSED to use water to clean the rifle until a firestorm of members' posts instructed you to do so. I fear a repeat performance with the pistol.

Since I'm not a mind reader and you've never stated a self-imposed 10-shot shooting limit prior to this post of yours, no one here has any idea of how short your attention span is. Could it be that when the gun fails to fire due to POOR CLEANING practices, that's when you start to loose interest?

And finally, for a kid that "barely goes shooting", you sure spend a lot of time on this forum.

Dave

 

[poordevil]

Lets leave this kid alone. He is the type who will give us all a bad name with his crappy attitude. We do not need him to further our sport.

P

 

[Dave Rosenthal]

You're probably right. This train-wreck of a thread will never come to a satisfactory conclusion :shake: