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Who Needs A Rifle? The Walker At 100 Yards
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I used to do the maintenance on Border Patrol aircraft in the Tucson sector. Lots of frustration from both pilots and the guys on the ground. Moral was real low at the time I was there. I can't imagine what it's like now. Hopefully when the current administration goes away those guys can get back to doing the job they were hired for. I always make it a point to thank them at the check stations when I go through. It's a small thing and it doe's take a lot of them by surprise.
Don’t back pedal, you showed your true colors, it’s OK! We all are entitled to our opinions, yours happened to suck!
My apologies I was replying to to the guy stock on 70 AD!
I did worked the Tucson Sector as well, on my original post I was referring to the USBP who still shoot from the horses! Don’t know if you ever got to see them training at the Maraña Range, it was awesome to see how they train the horses not to respond to gunfire!
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I can train someone to shoot handgun at 100 yards and beyond in less than an hour and have done so repeatedly. Add to that a dry dirt background and it makes it that much easier. I trained a young lady who was helping my parents with their horses and she was AMAZING after basic fundamentals. Sight picture is hugely important along with other basics. I have a good friend who cannot do it and I know exactly why. He can’t slow down if his life depended on it. Anyone can be taught provided decent eyesight.
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I grew up testing myself shooting at longer distances. Once I was allowed to carry firearms I was seldom out of reach of a .22, dads .22 Hornet or .30-30. If I saw a coyote I was shooting, rock chucks, picket pins, badgers, beavers, or whatever. None of those calibers are considered long range rifles but they will do it. Just like the cap and ball revolvers… The more long range pistol shooting you do the luckier you get..
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Most do not think of a handgun as a long-range proposition, because of perception. They haven't done it or seen it done regularly because they do not have access to a place to do it, most handgun shooting ranges going out to no more than 40-50 yards. Being a matter of practice, like everything else, there are just not a lot of practiced individuals out there due to this perception.
My initial training/introduction to long range handgun shooting, as I mentioned in the original post, was more about changing that perception than anything else. After that it just became a matter of practicing to become efficient, same as if it was 5 or 10 yards.
I think most folks subscribe to the 7yrd story and don't think its necessary to get better than that.. No doubt its fun shooting close fast stages but its also fun hitting smaller targets at distances. I can squeek out a 57 yrd shot in my back yard but its contrived . 50yrds is more reasonable/ safer in my available space. If I did have a 100yrd range I would absolutely have a hunk of steel down there. My 50yrd target is a 6" round steel. my best shot in my back yard that I am quite consistent at it 35yrds at a 5" steel circle but its an angled shot so you are not seeing the whole plate but a slimmed down version of it. Probably only looking at 3 inches wide from that angle. I am literally ecstatic every time I ring that plate from that spot.
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Most people say 'well I never done that so I don't think anyone can'
Long ago the neighbor killed a couple of deer with a 1911 at roughly a hundred yards. Apparently they weren't his first. I never saw the man hunt with a riffle, but heard that he was proficient with them too.
Long ago the neighbor killed a couple of deer with a 1911 at roughly a hundred yards. Apparently they weren't his first. I never saw the man hunt with a riffle, but heard that he was proficient with them too.
After reading Elmer Keith, long range pistol shooting doesn't seem too difficult. It's mostly just the basics like trigger control, stability, not flinching, and knowing your gun. He'd walk the shots into the target and made many kills at 3-400 yards when the hunters he led had only wounded the animal with high power rifles.
You'd think a short barreled pistol would be a hindrance but according to Elmer it wasn't. Now that's something that seems incredible to me - shooting a pistol with a 2" barrel and hitting a target at several hundred yards!
You'd think a short barreled pistol would be a hindrance but according to Elmer it wasn't. Now that's something that seems incredible to me - shooting a pistol with a 2" barrel and hitting a target at several hundred yards!
Agree!
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Depends on the intended purpose. If it is gunfighting/self-defense then 7 yards is very important. For competition, hunting, fun or just popping at that nuisance coyote or woodchuck, then 100 yards becomes more pertinent. With a Walker, what are we more likely to be doing? I would argue though, the more accurate at 100 yards you make yourself, the more accurate a 7 or 50 you will be.
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I don't get that. Actually I've never heard of it before, but having thought about it, it surely doesn't make sense to me.
In that situation the range would be changing continuously, as I either charged or fled or at the very least changed positions. And to me that's way too close for a first charging shot and not far enough away for the last fleeing shot. If two parties are standing and looking at each other from three steps away, they may as well get a drink and sit down.
Of course I'm not a gunfighter and haven't read their rules.
I have always felt the 7 yard story was an excuse most pistol shooters use to explain why they are not highly skilled with a pistol. I only have to hit a human silhouette at 7 yrds so who cares if I cant hit a smaller target. heck from hard cover behind my washer and drier it's15yrds to my front door and he may not show his whole torso. what if the bad guy is hiding behind his car and you can only see his head and shoulder but he is on the road in front of my house spraying and praying with a glock switch. thats a 25yrd head shot .. being accurate and fast is non negotiable.. what about being good enough to go prone under your truck and shoot the bad guy in the ankle at 30ft so he drops into line of sight...
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The modern 7-yard distance comes from an average of the most common distance in firearm confrontations gleaned from police reports by the FBI. Most LE training focuses on this 7-yard distance because that is the average distance most often encountered in defensive shootings. Our qualification course for instance, fired 4 times annually, ranged from 3 yards to 50 (and later 25) with most rounds being fired at the 7 and 25-yard ranges. Most police/self-defense related shootouts are not the long-range, long duration, high round count firefights depicted on TV and in movies. They are going to be close range, less than three shot affairs. Now ***** fighting and Mexican American War cavalry engagements are another kettle of fish entirely
Like I said though, neither is likely what we are concerned about here with a Walker, which is mostly going to be competition, hunting and pest control where longer distances are going to be the more likely order of the day
Like I said above the 7-yard thing is a result of FBI analysis/research/training recommendations, and they pretty much set the standard there for all LE in the country. LE trains for that distance primarily, because of the odds that it will be what it is. When you are allocating limited time and resources then you mostly train for what is most likely and less for what is less likely.
Which brings to mind the fact that the Walker is as much an offensive weapon as it is a defensive one and was designed that way, I think because of its intentions to be used in a military manner. It was not only capable of 100 yard shots, but it was also intended to be used that way when needed, which is something you can't really say about most typical modern handguns.
