Who here like to use a hammer or frizzen stall? This is a leather device placed on the frizzen to protect against accidental discharge whilst hunting.
Thoughts?
Thoughts?
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Whom Used a Frizzen Stall?
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They are often required for reenactors. They were also used by British soldiers to keep their muskets at the ready while on watch to reduce unintentional discharge, so there is historical precedent.
Wouldn't the half-cock position do the same thing? Or didn't they have that back then?
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My answer has to be, "sometimes". I have three flintlocks, but I have a frizzen stall on only one of them. I do, however, have a cows knee (lock cover) for each of them.
Hammer stalls are required for reenactments. The half cock notch and the dog lock to hold the hammer away from the frizzen is one method to use for unintended discharges. The hammer stall puts that layer of leather on the frizzen so that even if the half cock notch fails, discharge is prevented.
It depends on the gun. Also, if on half-cock, which is not always reliable as a "safety," there is a "click" when cocking that both deer and enemy can hear.
With a military musket, it also takes a bit more effort to fully cock.
For a surprise shot, a hammer stall is handy and silent.
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I have one on all my hunting rifles. It does help keep the condensation off the frizzen as well and it is another "safety" in the woods for me. If I got deer coming towards me I can cock the hammer to full cock with out fear of spooking deer by doing it when they get closer. I keep the stall in place until I know I am going to try to take the animal. quick and quiet pull up it pops off and i let it go since it tied to trigger guard. Blammmmmmoooooo
Full answer is sometimes, depending on weather conditions. When conditions are humid and am sitting/stand hunting, will not charge pan till see intended target, will not use hammer stall. When low humidity, will usually charge pan and use a stall.
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Most reenactment events should include a weapons check which would insure half cock is working. The reason they are required is the same reason as flash guards. Some idiot pencil pusher knowing nothing thought it would be a good idea and made it "law". You aren't going to protect a fool from doing something foolish.
Most reenactment events should include a weapons check which would insure half cock is working. The reason they are required is the same reason as flash guards. Some idiot pencil pusher knowing nothing thought it would be a good idea and made it "law". You aren't going to protect a fool from doing something foolish.
When I hunt I and am sitting I keep my gun cocked with a frizzen stall in place, it is much easier to flip the stall off than to cock my lock silently with cold fingers, it seems like the older I get the colder my hands and feet stay while hunting. I take the stall off and have my gun on half cock if I am slipping through the woods. I hunt spooky deer, even the slight click of setting a set trigger will put the deer on alert.
I guess you missed my post where they have historical precedent...
Also, one should NEVER rely solely on the half cock notch, on ANY gun.
Do you try to inflame people on purpose? They did have these things back then. It’s a good idea, just like a flash guard is good idea. I’m sure you’re against air bags and seat belts too.
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Care to share a link for historical precedent or your information?
I was as the Ft Fredrick Rondy in Maryland and they required a hammer stall at the range. I didn’t have one with me so they would not let me shoot. I improvised by using a Lally House medicine bag as a hammer stall. I told the range officer that he will never see a more expensive hammer stall. He didn’t get it.
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Had a percussion go off on the half cock, hammer got bumped and boom. A hole (me) through the door of my 70 El Camino from the inside. Happened many years ago ,but I'll never forget it. I guess to my hunting accomplishment I can add one El Camino.
Be safe, Phil
They weren’t used by British soldiers. They were recommended by Cuthbertson in 1768 but not adopted. Like his insane suggestion that soldiers should be issued straight-lasted shoes and required to switch them from foot to foot to even out the wear. Clearly the musings of someone who had minimal experience with the things he was making recommendations about.
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I don't use one. I don't hunt, & don't reenact anymore. The muzzleloading club to which I belong doesn't require them on the firing line.
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I always use one on a flintlock pistol if I am carrying it.
I use them. I do line them with a tissue so the leather doesn't have any effect on the frizzen
