It's no crime to talk something other than PRB's here..as long as it's not the newst this weeks tank killing ??bullet?? for those other guns, we get into REAL's, Buff Bullets,ect. I shot those for years out of 1 X 66 twist rifles since 1971 couldnt stand the time it took to load ball's. Then sometime 115 or so years ago I slowed down, and it's been a rare day I've shot anything but round balls, I like the slow easy going pace of it. Not much help but a real answer, hope it help's. Fred :hatsoff: