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Rick Presley

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Yesterday at our monthly muzzle shoot I was loading my 54 renagade when the ramrod broke and stabbed me in the middle of the palm of my right hand. I m going to get me a more duable ramrod that won't break on me.I was told by some of the members that few years ago one shooter had one go though his hand luckly mind didn't but it hurt like hell.SO be careful out there.
 
You're very lucky...TC's best ramrod's were the older resin impregnated ones but that process was lost in the big factory fire TC had years ago.

I use TC Hawkens and the wooden ramrods of the past 10 years just aren't safe to load with, just plain wooden dowels...I attach a wooden ball to one end and keep them in the garage with different caliber cleaning jags on them as cleaning rods to use after shooting...replaced them all with brass ramrods.

With your Renegade's dark thimbles and furniture, TC's dark solid aluminum super-rod should look good and be a strong loading rod to boot
 
I usually make up a dozen ramrod blanks at a time. Here's the formula I use, 1/4 pure shellac, 1/4 linseed oil, 1/2 denatured alcohol. I have a PVC tube capped that I pour it into and soak my ramrods for about two weeks, pull them out and let them dry for a month or so and then finish them as I need them. I'm still using the same ramrods that I made when I started back into this stuff about 2 1/2 years ago. They don't bend or break anywhere as easy as the regular ash rods that I start with. Give it a try and see what you think. I sold four dozen off my trade blanket last year. Take care, Rick.
 
in my opinion, grain and type of wood are much more crucial to integrity in a ramrod than any finish. the grain must run true the entire length of the rod. you will not find that with dowels and you will not find that from almost all sawn stock. proper ramrod blanks need to be riven to achieve the kind of integrity that ramrods require. the hickories are a fair bit tougher than white ash, but either is readily split for blanks and would be excellent.

daniel
 
I've used good Hickory ramrods rubbed down with Linseed Oil. I've never had one break, crack or splinter. The grain runs the length of the ramrod and the ramrod is seldom absolutely straight. I believe that a shooter is obligated to investigate every aspect of his chosen sport/lifestyle...from knowing how safe the breech of his rifle is to the finish needed to protect his rifle from moisture.

So often we own too many firearms that we do not know thoroughly instead of one that we do. In days gone by the folks who depended on their firearm knew every personality trait of their firearm and could make them produce more than originally intended.

Voyageur
 
During one of my "morning reads" I was looking at a MUZZLEBLASTS from 1996 and it was talking about ramrod material.
Seems the very best from a strength standpoint is Black Locust with Hickory a ways back. It also made the obvious point that if you see ANY end grain in any wood it isn't worth the Pyrodex to blow it to Hell.

"Tempering" the wood like DEADDOG was describing (or using "coal oil" (kerosene)like the old timers did) will limber the wood and make it less likely to split but only if no end grain is showing.

I use a stainless steel rod with a muzzle protector on it for my shooting but I do all of my shooting at a range.

If I were going to go out in the field hunting the first thing I would invest in would be one of the fiberglas or brass rods like Dixie sells. (Edited to keep harmony among the troups).
 
Here is the latest article from Muzzle Blasts Online. I do not see that hickory is 'aways back'.

I am not a re-enactor but like thousands of others I use hickory...like hundreds of thousands of others that lived before us I use hickory. I think you would find that almost all of us would not 'drum you out of camp' for using fiberglass or brass. The use of hickory is not unsafe when used correctly as has been proven for hundreds of years.

One thing I would like to mention...I feel your post is the type that drives a wedge between those who prefer to use traditional accoutrements with traditional rifles and those who don't. It certainly isn't worded to heal wounds.

The three figures following the woods are 'crushing','shearing' & 'elasticity'.

Ash, black 5970 1570 1.60

Ash, white 7410 1910 1.74

Beech 7300 2010 1.72

Birch, yellow 8170 1880 2.01

Cherry, black 7110 1130 1.49

Elm, American 5520 1510 1.34

Elm, rock 7050 1920 1.54

Hickory, pignut 9190 1980 2.26

Hickory, shagbark9210 2430 2.16

Locust, black 10180 2480 2.05

Maple, red 6540 1850 1.64

Maple, sugar 7830 2330 1.83

Oak, southern red 6090 1390 1.49

Oak, white 7440 2000 1.78

Walnut, black 7580 1370 1.68

Softwoods
Cedar, Port Orford 6250 1370 1.70

Fir, Douglas*** 6230 1510 1.49

Hemlock, mountain 6440 1540 1.33

Pine, loblolly 7130 1390 1.79

Pine, longleaf 8470 1510 1.98

Pine, slash 8140 1680 1.98

"Some of the properties of native woods relative to their suitability for ramrods are shown in Table 1. (Reviewer's note: The reader is cautioned that test results may not always be applicable. This is particularly so when the test is done on a piece of wood much larger in cross section than that of a ramrod. Or, if a ramrod is smaller in diameter than the thickness of the annular rings of a specific species, the test results won't apply to the use of that species for a ramrod. Commercial tests often conclude that curly woods are just as strong as straight grain woods. This is true of large samples, but when the sample gets to be thinner than the amplitude of the curl, the results are completely wrong. This would apply to thin cross sections of forestocks as well as to small diameter ramrods.) It is no surprise that the hickories have high compression and shear strengths (although black locust beats hickories in both categories). However, one of the big surprises is that birch (the dowels you find in hardware stores are often made of birch) is close to the hickories in both categories. The elasticity of the wood is also important since you want a ramrod that will resist deflection and return to its original shape (one of my early attempts at using a synthetic polymer ramrod was like trying to push cooked spaghetti through a keyhole). According to the ``Wood Handbook,'' (Agricultural Handbook no. 72, 1987) which rates the modulus of elasticity calculated from a simply-supported center-loaded beam, birch is more elastic than many of the other hardwoods such as ash, beech, elm, and nearly equals hickory and locust. Although the common hardware store dowel has been dismissed by previous writers as unsuitable for ramrods, yellow birch dowels would probably make excellent ramrods if carefully selected for grain. Another surprise from Table 1 is that longleaf and slash pine rate right up there with most of the hardwoods and beat some of them in both compression strength and shearing strength. Furthermore, they are more elastic than all the hardwoods except birch, hickory, and locust. If the top ten woods were rated in decreasing order of combined strengths (compression and shear), we would have to put locust first (although I bet that osage orange would rival it for first place if comparable data were available), followed by shagbark hickory, pignut hickory, sugar maple, yellow birch, longleaf pine, slash pine, white oak, white ash, and beech.
Exotic woods such as ebony were used for ramrods on some of the more expensive European muzzleloading arms. Unfortunately, I could not find comparable data to compare the exotic woods to our native American woods. Using such exotic woods may seem snobbish and a bit overdone; however, I must admit, after viewing fine arms collections in Britain, Germany, Lichtenstein, and Austria, that ebony does make a statement in elegance. Ebony ramrod blanks have been available commercially from time to time; if not currently available, a reasonable facsimile (Fig. 2) can be made by staining a nice hickory ramrod with a water-soluble aniline stain. While exotic woods may be obtained from a variety of sources, be wary of those not cut specifically for ramrods, no matter how visually attractive they may be. Ask yourself (and the potential supplier!) if you can get a straight piece long enough without significant grain run-out. Heavy duty use of a ramrod with grain run-out like the one shown in Fig. 1 is a sure invitation to disaster. Stain acceptance (some close-grained woods resist taking much color whether you use water-, alcohol-, or oil-based stains) is also important. It would be nice if the wood used for the ramrod could be of the same species as that of the stock since it should take finish to a comparable degree. The three most popular stock woods, cherry, maple, and walnut, might all make decent ramrods if straight-grained and dense. However, they are considerably less elastic than birch, hickory, or locust. And remember, don't yield to the temptation of making a curly maple ramrod for anything but a wall hanger! However, I have made durable ramrods from curly hickory (which seems relatively rare)."

For those of you that would like to see the latest article from Muzzle Blasts Online about ramrods:http://ezines.firelands.net/muzzleblastsonline/vol2no1/articles/mboj1.htm

Voyageur
 
Well, allow me to say first, it was not my intention to "drive a wedge" between anyone or anything. I was just saying that some people are so "into" their re- enactment that they may over react to non-conformists who would utilize items which don't fit "the period". I have talked with them, and I am sure that you know I am right.
IMO there are also people who are very concerned with conformity as a tool to be a part of "the group" to the degree that they may avoid what I feel should be common sense.
As for hickory, all of my Pennsylvanias have it for their ramrod material. The thing is, it is getting hard to find GOOD hickory ramrod material which doesn't have some end grain showing on the surface.

More importantly, the average person who buys and shoots a muzzle-loader is not aware of the danger nor are they aware of what to look at to determine if a danger exists with their ramrod. They are not expert woodwrights. They believe the factorys would not supply something which is potentially dangerous.
I intended to let them know that if they want to go with a "non traditional" material they have me on their side (which probably doesn't mean much but there it is.
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After the first couple articles I read about splintered wooden ramrods going into peoples forearms, I replaced all of mine with either solid brass or solid stainless.

They look good, are very strong, and the extra weight really improves accuracy without a rest.

On a .45 that I occasionally still hunt with I use a lighter tubular brass ramrod...I use the heavier solid ones in rifles when stand hunting.
 
All of my muskets are equipted with steel rods, I am looking to get a .32 caliber soon, I will then use Hickory for the small smoker...
 
I have broken a couple of wood rods and feel that driver error was as much at fault as the quality of the wood, tighter than needed patch and ball combos and to long of a "throw" on the rod when seating the ball will break the best of wood rods. I do use a fake rod on the range at times and have a couple of solid brass ones, but I think that if one is prudent in his loading practice that broken rods can usually be avoided.
 

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