Woven Woven Everywhere

[KLWeaver]

If the two resulting sashes are not significantly different, then one could not say that just because a sash was woven on an Inkle loom it would not be HC.

I hope that's true. Think of all the gear we would have to discard if it weren't....starting with all reproduction guns, including the custom ones.

Spence

:bow: :bow:

 

[Black Hand]

If two items are essentially identical in appearance despite using non-HC/PC methods, then the point is moot. On the other hand, if they are similar but not the same (due to construction/materials/other), and the difference is noticeable, then I would avoid purchasing/using the item in a PC/HC setting.

That is just what I would do - what you would do is entirely up to you (and the event in which you are participating)....

 

If the two resulting sashes are not significantly different, then one could not say that just because a sash was woven on an Inkle loom it would not be HC.

I hope that's true. Think of all the gear we would have to discard if it weren't....starting with all reproduction guns, including the custom ones.

Spence

:bow: :bow:

So, you can have hand made beadwork on your jacket, or purchase machine made beadwork from China. Same thing as long as it looks ok and still feel good about yourself. :hatsoff:

New term = "Period looking"

 

[George]

New term = "Period looking"

Hardly new, Jack. It has been the standard for a long time.

Spence

 

[KLWeaver]

Yeah I'm gonna have to agree with that.

 

[Black Hand]

If the two resulting sashes are not significantly different, then one could not say that just because a sash was woven on an Inkle loom it would not be HC.

I hope that's true. Think of all the gear we would have to discard if it weren't....starting with all reproduction guns, including the custom ones.

Spence

:bow: :bow:

So, you can have hand made beadwork on your jacket, or purchase machine made beadwork from China. Same thing as long as it looks ok and still feel good about yourself. :hatsoff:

New term = "Period looking"

Hand-done beadwork and beadwork from China are not even remotely similar and do not look the same.

That said, I buy very little. If I want something, I learn how to create it by studying period pieces and texts then recreate the item I want.

 

[Crewdawg445]

I certainly agree with that, I know my beadwork is no comparison to the garbage coming out of China, nor on the same level of craftsmanship. Just saying :thumbsup:

Some pieces just have no business being "mass produced" and quality beadwork is one of them. Far to much history and meaning tied into it. :hatsoff:

 

[Billnpatti]

Jack, as you well know, or should know, if an item passes the inspection of the people putting on an event, it is okay without regard to where or by whom it is actually made. If the person carrying or wearing the item shows up with it, obviously they feel good with it. I think we'd all feel better knowing something was handmade here in the good old USA. Preferably if it was handmade by Native Americans. There are lots of people who like to play the game but can't afford to have only authentic handmade items. Just how far do you want to carry this HC/PC thing? Is your rifle an original? Is your tent fabric woven on an original loom? Is your clothing all truly authentic? Are the threads from which it is woven absolutely correct for the period? Really? It can get pretty ridiculous, you know. I know, I've been there and done that. You have to cut some slack or pretty soon you will be playing alone.

 

[Black Hand]

There are a few metrics I'd like to throw out:
Event rules - stringency varies, but often are very broad.

Group rules - stringency varies, but may be very broad. However, the rules may be far more stringent if it is a small group of like-minded individuals.

Personal rules - For me, the most stringent and far exceed those of any event. But even these rules can vary considerably from person to person.

This hobby has everything from someone carrying a production capper and wearing jeans and cowboy boots to those who raise flax, spin the thread, hand-weave the material and make clothes from the linen. There is room for everyone. That said, one usually finds these various groups don't often interact because of perceptions - the former group has been told by others that the latter are "snobby", "elitist", "stitch-counters", "librarians", etc. The latter doesn't interact with the former because they aren't wanted, though they are happy to help people who are willing to learn.

 

[Artificer]

As long as the construction materials are as close to PC as possible and the item "looks correct," I don't think most folks generally have a problem how it was made. This is UNLESS someone shows up at an event open to the public and the person is openly using or demonstrating making something while using tools or a machine that is later than the period.

Since it appears OhioRamm's Hubby is not from solid New England stock, where romantic courting gifts were practical household implements :grin: , there are other ways she might go about doing things.

If OhioRamm is interested, she might offer to trade articles she makes that are PC correct for a tape loom or various types of small PC looms she could not only use at home, but also at an event. Now she may not want to do that at an event, but if she did, it could be an interesting thing to do and demonstrate to visitors. It may also help her barter/trade/sell items she makes and take orders for items people want.

Just some random thoughts.

Gus

 

[Crewdawg445]

Jack, as you well know, or should know, if an item passes the inspection of the people putting on an event, it is okay without regard to where or by whom it is actually made. If the person carrying or wearing the item shows up with it, obviously they feel good with it. I think we'd all feel better knowing something was handmade here in the good old USA. Preferably if it was handmade by Native Americans. There are lots of people who like to play the game but can't afford to have only authentic handmade items. Just how far do you want to carry this HC/PC thing? Is your rifle an original? Is your tent fabric woven on an original loom? Is your clothing all truly authentic? Are the threads from which it is woven absolutely correct for the period? Really? It can get pretty ridiculous, you know. I know, I've been there and done that. You have to cut some slack or pretty soon you will be playing alone.

This is well said and sound! :applause:

Are any of us absolutely 100% HC?

 

[KLWeaver]

While I appreciate what you're saying, I have to say as I did before, I have never had someone refuse to barter/buy/trade because I had woven on an inkle loom. I am not attempting to sell any of my wares on this forum anymore, or specifically this post, as it would just be a waste of time.

I am going to look into tablet weaving but will most likely always take my loom to events as I don't attend any juried events or camp with those that are judgemental.

 

[Black Hand]

I don't...camp with those that are judgemental.

You are making an unnecessary value judgement yourself. Information was freely given and it is up to you what to do with it. But what do accomplish by dismissing others who have different HC/PC standards than you? This is not "US vs. THEM"...

How can you expect to improve if you ignore the facts?

 

[KLWeaver]

I am not ignoring facts. I've looked at every link posted and have read and reread everything that has been said.

Like I said I am going to try my hand at tablet weaving until I can get more information on inkle looming. But as of right now I really love the inkle looming, I look forward to doing it everyday and it has been a big stress reliever for me.

 

[KLWeaver]

And I am certainly not making a value judgement of anyone. While I worded that bad, I simply meant I camp with my family and some more laid back people.

 

[Black Hand]

...and some more laid back people.

:hmm:

 

[Artificer]

While I appreciate what you're saying, I have to say as I did before, I have never had someone refuse to barter/buy/trade because I had woven on an inkle loom. I am not attempting to sell any of my wares on this forum anymore, or specifically this post, as it would just be a waste of time.

I am going to look into tablet weaving but will most likely always take my loom to events as I don't attend any juried events or camp with those that are judgemental.

I have not attended strict juried events other than at Colonial Williamsburg's "Under the Red Coat" and that may not or is not as strict as some juried events of which I've heard. Even at that event, I had at least one shirt that was completely machine sewn and not hand sewn, except for sewing the buttons on. My Regimental was machine sewn in areas that did not show and it probably would not have been that accurate had it not been done by a Lady who was used to doing it.

Even though I have done a lot of hand sewing of leather over the years, it was probably more than a bit comical when I hand sewed up my Scottish Bag Hose and sewed the dicing on my Bonnet. Sewing leather and cloth are two very different materials. At least they came out well enough I could use both in pretty rough usage and looked good enough, though I would have starved to death had I tried to make a living off it in the period. :haha:

I have also taken modern tools and equipment to events to do repair work on guns, but they remain in the tent or at my vehicle where they are not out to be seen by the public. Since I don't have a period traveling forge, I sometimes need a heat source and that means a combination Mapp Gas/Oxygen torch comes along with me. I also keep modern taps and dies out of sight and go into my tent or back at the vehicle to use them. I actually have a couple of original Die Plates I put on display at events, but won't use them because I don't want to damage original/authentic pieces. I hope to make repro's of period taps and die plates or have them made, so I can use them in the open. Putting together a "period correct" Artificer's Tool Kit is not easy even if one has a lot more money than I do. So I also understand using modern tools and equipment to do "period work."

It looks like you have already had one person in this thread interested in you making something for them, that would be in a more period correct color/s for what he is doing. You may not want to do such work, but that is an example of how you may get more "bespoke work" or orders, if you wish to do so.

Most of us are not trying to tell you what to do, just making suggestions and of course that means you decide whether or not you wish to do them.

Gus

 

[KLWeaver]

I appreciate it all of the input, I really do. I don't know what else to say without sounding sarcastic.

I know most people are judging my meanings of making the straps versus the straps themselves and I can live with that.

I was basing my use of an inkle loom off of other weavers that I have seen through out the years. Now I know I shouldn't jump the gun before doing my own research.

 

[Black Hand]

I know most people are judging my meanings of making the straps versus the straps themselves and I can live with that.

No, this is not it. Inkle-woven straps look different...because the materials and weaving technique differ. I have yet to see any examples of these wovens used in the period, especially as powderhorn straps. The closest is the Assumption sashes, but they were fingerwoven and worn by a very specific group of people. I have been unable to find images of period belts as described by Doddridge.

 

[Black Hand]

Wovens produced by natives were, as already established, finger-woven (primarily).