You talked me into the 58.

[Headhunter]

I will be getting the Green Mountain .58 32" 1-70 Twist. What tickin are you using or patch?

Also looking for a 50 vs 58 foot pounds, velocity chart or something of the like.

Whats the difference in 100 yard energy?

Any other 58 cal notes would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Headhunter

 

[Snuffy]

Real nice choice.

Put some fiber-optics on it or a peep because once you find your load, you will need to see paper targets beyond 100 yards. It's that accurate.

 

[musketman]

From the Lyman Black Powder Handbook:

Barrel: .58 caliber 32 inches long, 1:72 inch twist
Projectile: .560 roundball (260 grains)
Lube: Crisco
Patch: 0.015
Powder: FFg

50 grains: 944 fps, 314 Ft/lbs 100 yards
60 grains: 1030 fps, 355 Ft/lbs 100 yards
70 grains: 1115 fps, 392 Ft/lbs 100 yards
80 grains: 1177 fps, 415 Ft/lbs 100 yards
90 grains: 1238 fps, 436 Ft/lbs 100 yards
100 grains: 1295 fps, 455 Ft/lbs 100 yards
110 grains: 1352 fps, 478 Ft/lbs 100 yards
120 grains: 1402 fps, 496 Ft/lbs 100 yards
130 grains: 1451 fps, 519 Ft/lbs 100 yards
140 grains: 1506 fps, 544 Ft/lbs 100 yards
150 grains: 1560 fps, 576 Ft/lbs 100 yards
160 grains: 1615 fps, 597 Ft/lbs 100 yards
170 grains: 1669 fps, 623 Ft/lbs 100 yards
180 grains: 1737 fps, 659 Ft/lbs 100 yards

I personally wouldn't go over 130 grains, but they list 180 as max...

 

[Headhunter]

I didn't know powder measures went that HIGH!

Thanks guys, I am getting excited~! Any other info?

Thanks,

Headhunter

 

[roundball]

I didn't know powder measures went that HIGH!

Thanks guys, I am getting excited~! Any other info?

Thanks, Headhunter

FWIW, my .58cal GM Flint barrel load is:

100grns Goex 2F
Oxyoke wonderwad
.018" TC prelubed pillow ticking
Hornady .570

Accuracy is incredible, devastating on Eastern deer

 

[musketman]

I didn't know powder measures went that HIGH!

They do if you use the 90 grain setting twice... :grin:

 

[Plains99]

Putting fiber optics on a .58 is like putting diapers on John Wayne!

 

[roundball]

Putting fiber optics on a .58 is like putting diapers on John Wayne!

:rotf:

 

[Bountyhunter]

I'm with you.

I think it crosses the boundary. It'd be like riding a moped. Its fun, but you sure dont want to let your buddies catch you doin it.

 

[Headhunter]

I got a old set of partridge sights to stick right on it. Unless I go with a Jim Bridger rear and Silver front blade like on my 50.

Headhunter

 

[musketman]

Putting fiber optics on a .58 is like putting diapers on John Wayne!

Putting fiber optics on a .58 is like putting diapers on John Wayne!

:rotf:

I'm with you.

I think it crosses the boundary. It'd be like riding a moped. Its fun, but you sure dont want to let your buddies catch you doin it.

Gentlemen, someone's physical optical condition may require him to use fiber optics sights to do what we take for granted...

Between hunting and never hunting again, most of us would rethink the usage of fiber optics, retaining the original sights for PC events...

 

[cayugad]

Some of the newer Green Mountain Barrels have been showing up with the Tru Glo Fiber optic sights.. The older ones had an adjustable rear sight and what looks almost like a marvel bead front sight in brass.

While fiber optics do show up better in low light, I personally think the old brass bead front sight is more accurate. I would use what ever works best for my vision limitations.

 

[roundball]

Gentlemen, someone's physical optical condition may require him to use fiber optics sights to do what we take for granted...

Between hunting and never hunting again, most of us would rethink the usage of fiber optics, retaining the original sights for PC events...

I couldn't agree more MM...if that was the point of the discussion then I missed it.

When I thought of my .58cal GM barrel that I went to the trouble of having built as a Flintlock version, the image in my mind with glow sights on top just struck me funny...wasn't directed towards anyone who might actually need such sights and I apologize to anyone who fits that description that took my "laughter icon" to heart, as it was not intended that way.

In fact, if anybody tries fiberoptics on a Flintlock, please post the results as I may in that situation myself in the not too distant future
:thumbsup:

 

[Snuffy]

God bless anyone over 50 who can see a paper target well enough to shoot 3-4" groups at 125 yards and beyond.

That's why I suggested a peep or fiber optics. I have the standard plain rear sight on my 58 Green Mountain. It just doesn't cut-it anymore. It has nothing to do with being a traditionalist. It has everything to do with "clean-humane kills"

 

[Bountyhunter]

Wouldnt some form of peep sight be probably more accurate and more traditional? The long range cartridge guys here use peeps on their Springfields and Sharps. I dont know the history of peeps, but I would think that they went well back into the ML era, at least by the target shooters, perhaps not the hunters.

 

[Greenmtnboy]

Putting fiber optics on a .58 is like putting diapers on John Wayne!

no doubt !!!! :nono:
track of the wolf has great primitive peep sights. That are !! period correct
I use them and get half inch groups at 50 yrds with my 54 cal leman. just over an inch at 100 yrds
:thumbsup:

 

[tg]

"God bless anyone over 50 who can see a paper target well enough to shoot 3-4" groups at 125 yards and beyond.;

Sounds like we are not talking sensable ML ranges for hunting purposes, whether the eyes are young or old. If many would set their limit at 75 yds or less peeps and fiber optics might not be needed.

 

[Rebel]

Personally, i like 50 yds or less with the smoothbores. And you don't even have to worry about that pesky rear sight. :grin:

 

[tg]

"track of the wolf has great primitive peep sights. That are !! period correct'

Which TOW sight is this, and what period are they PC for and what documentation supports their being PC?

 

[DavidLawrence]

I have one of these barrels. It is a good shooter.