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Still new to this but I'm enjoying every minute. I'm shooting a GRP .54 percusion and am still in the break in period. I haven't shot the rifle enough to set any of my habbits yet. Do any of you have a process that you follow each time? What measures types do you use? How do you go from the flask to the muzzle? I'm still learning from the book so I would love some input.

More questions on the way.

Mike
 
First, make sure the rifle is unloaded. I've measured the length of the barrel and marked on my ramrod where it sits when the barrel is empty, charged w/ no ball, and charged with a ball. That way I'll know if there's anything down the barrel before I start.

Right now I've got an adustable brass measure with a graduated read-out and a swiveling funnel-like thing on it. I always pour from the horn into the measure, then plug the horn. Then pour down the muzzle.

If I'm using spit-lubed patching, then I am chewing on a piece of patch while measuring and pouring powder.

Once the powder is poured, settle the patch and then ball over the muzzle. Press the patch/ball combo into the muzzle with either my thumb or ball starter. Then I start the ball with the longer (4" part of the ball starter). I'm actually gettin away from using the short starter by simply choking up on the ramrod really good (makes me have to carry less stuff).

Ram the ball all the way down, seated firmly against the breach. Make sure you put good, even pressure on the powder to compress it a little. It makes for a more even powder-burn and more consistency in your shot.

Replace the ramrod, prime, cock, mind your target and background, and squeeze the trigger.

Repeat.
 
Good info, great process. its the same method I use.
I would add a caution caveat....
others will more than likely be around you at shoots and trail walks and such. talking, razzing and typical guy type comradere can cause distractions. its like golf.. You HAVE to tune everything out and consentrate on the task at hand. Follow your steps/process dilegently EVERY TIME,same way time and again.
this prevents dryballing, double charging ect.
sort of like watching an NBA player going thru his routine making a free throw. nothing matters but that task at that time, they tune everything out.
Have fun with it and mark your ramrod as stated above.

Brett
 
tnlonghunter thank you for the quick reply. I'm doing very similar, I'm using a brass flask at the moment to pour into an adjustable measure with the funnel on the end. One day I will have a powder horn. I was placing the primer on with my fingers but I got a hold of a capper and what a difference that made.

As a photographer I have always loved the pace of working with a 4x5 camera, now I am learning to love the similar pacing of a percussion rifle. Both require disipline and patience. When a procedure is consistant the results are consistant. Usually.

Thank you again.

Mike
 
Brett very good point! I have made more than one goof by not paying attention to the task at hand. Just ask my wife....;)
 
I always dry patch first, to remove any residual lube from the barrel after cleaning. that also lets me know the gun isnt loaded.
Next i fire a couple of caps (downrange of course) to be sure the nipple is clear, and proceed to load.
As a rule, i premeasure my charges, pouring from my powder container into my measure, then dump into my "loaders" and cap them. usually i'll premeasure a dozen or so charges at a time pouring over an old butter tub,then return any overflow powder to the can. If at my range here at home, i'll do this at the table, where i can also weigh charges to see that i'm staying consistant in my measurements.
I use a small orange funnel with the end cut off to just fit well in the bore, when charging my rifles, hammer at half cock, then slap the side of the stock opposite the lock, to settle my charge, then load my prb.
precut/lubed patch over the muzzle, thumb start the ball, & as my rifles like tight patch/ball combinations, i do have to use a short starter before seating the ball with the ramrod, and i use a bore guide. (Cheap trick i learned long ago, for a bore guide, cut the spout off another cheap plastic funnel, so it just fits well in the bore, and cut off a half inch or so out of the bore, your ramrod, or cleaning rod can pass through this sleeve, thus helping prevent rod/muzzle wear)
Seat my prb to the mark on the rod, point downrange, cap cock and fire.
 
We have a common loading practice, I always whack the brech area opposite the drum after dumping powder to settle and jar grains into flash channel. I also dry patch with a loose fit patch between shot as per 'Dutch Schultz' method. And use a slightly damp patch over felt disk/wad.
 
brett sr said:
...others will more than likely be around you at shoots and trail walks and such. talking, razzing and typical guy type comradere can cause distractions...Brett

Brett speaks the truth, though the times I've done some boneheaded thing like dryballing, I was chatting with Brett! :hmm: :winking:
Scott
 
I have often dryballed. EVERY single time, without exception, I was distracted by conversation/demonstration with another. All that has been said about keeping your concentration is correct. When in doubt--any doubt--put your marked range rod down to see where you are in the process. I am sure many others will offer good advice, good smoke, ron in FL
 
Brett and Tnlonghunter all have given very good advise my only change is when I am at the range I use a measure that doesn't have a large funnel and when I drop the charge I leave the measure sticking out of the barrel until I get a patch and ball in hand. This way I know if I get distracted I have charged the rifle but not put a ball in the barrel. This has stopped the dreaded dry ball at the range. With the excitement of hunting I've been known to forget but oldage does get to a fellow.
If you can follow all this advise you should have many good times to come.
Fox :hatsoff:
 
Silverfox,
My proceedure is identical. I leave the measure in while I dig for a patch and a ball.
That alone I feel has worked since I have not dryballed..........yet.
 
Loading procedure: First, make sure your barrel and chamber are cleared of oils and lube. I Use a cleaning patch soaked in alcohol to dissolve the stuff, and then run a dry patch or two down to make sure I have it all out and the barrel dry. Listen to your vent hole or nipple for the sound of " hissing " air being foreced out them. That is the good sound you want to hear. It means your flashchannel or vent is clear.

Now, pour your powder from its can, or your horn, or flask, into a SEAPRATE powder measure. I use a brass, adjustable measure with funnel attached to aid in getting all the powder in the barrel. ALWAYS cap or close the entrance to your powder source before pouring powder down the barrel, as a matter of HABIT.

Pour the powder down. In a flintlock, tip the barrel to one side so that the powder slides down the side of the barrel, and does not compact. In a percussion gun, hold the barrel upright, and pour the powder so it drops all the way to the bottom without touching the sides of the barrel if possible. Some shooters have copper tubes that go down their barrels from the funnel so that the powder drops and is placed in the back of the barrel precisely each time. Again, these are percussion shooters.

Now, if you are using pre-cut patchs, and expect to fire the gun within a minute or less, use spit. ITS FREE! I use spit on the firing line at my club all the time. However, saliva can foul your powder or some of it, and make that ball hit out of the group.

So, If you are going to be shooting some minutes, or even hours after loading the gun, use pre-lubed patches, or patching. I pre-lube the day before at miminum, so that the lube will migrate throughout the patch material. Center the pre-cut patch over the muzzle, then place a ball in the center of the patch and drive them down the barrel slowly. If you are using patching strips, then push the ball and patch into the muzzle and cut off the patch with your patch knife. Then use the ramrod to slowly run the ball down the barrel.

In a flintlock, mark you ramrod so that you load the ball to the mark. The mark is pre-set so that the PRB is just touching the powder.

In a percussion gun, you can mark the ramrod, too, but this time, you want to compress the powder. If you have dropped the powder into the barrel as I have described, it will be compressed from the drop, and there will be very little more you can compress it by putting weight on the ramrod. With enough pressure, you can distort the ball, however, so take it easy. Be consistent, but understand that you can be consistent and still distort the shape of the ball, and get bad groups. Take it easy on the pressure you put on that ramrod.

Remove the ramrod, and place it back in the stock of the gun.

NOw, pointing the gun down range, and only when you are ready to fire on a range( always obey range rules for your safety and the safety of others), prime or cap the gun. In the field, when you can legally shoot, you can prime or cap the gun. In most states, a muzzle loader is not considered " loaded " unless it is primed or capped. You can load the barrel at home, drive to your hunting spot, wait for daylight, and then prime the gun. If you don't fire, you can dump the prime, or remove the cap, and the gun is considered unloaded for transportation. The same applies at the end of the day, when hunting hours close.

Loading after you shoot involves real concern for the presense of both burning embers in the barrel, and crud in the barrel( fouling ). After exhausting myself trying to find a lube or procedure that would allow me to skip cleaning after each shot, AND still get my shots to shoot to the same point of Impact ( POI ), I gave up. I now just clean between shot, with the exception of a needed follow up shot on deer, or other game. I know where by second shot is going to go differently from the POI of my first shot out of a clean barrel.

After I fire, I run a slightly dampened patch with spit down the barrel to loosen the fouling from the grooves in the barrel, and to put out the glowing embers that remain. You can see the smoke come out of your vent, or nipple doing this. Again, that smoke, or air tells you the flashchannel or vent is clear. I then dry the spit and take out more of the crud from the breechplug using a dry cleaning patch. On humid days, I run the spit patch down twice, once on each side, and then I run the clean dry patch down twice, using both sides. I get more crud out, and dry the barrel better that way. And, on pulling the cleaning patch and jag out the barrel, I can FEEL that the barrel is clean.

I then repeat, beginning with pouring powder out of my powder horn into my separate measure, etc.

I decided a long time ago that I was into shooting BP because of the fine accuracy obtainable with these guns, and was not interested in speed shooting with them. If I want to shoot lots of rounds fast, I take a semi-auto .22 or other gun to the range and bang away. With my MLs, I want to take my time, calm down, forget all the problems at work and home, and have a relaxing day shooting as accurately as I am able to Shoot. I always meet new shooters-- and we see them pop up here all the time--- who want to know how to cut corners and shoot faster. They want " speed loaders " for their guns, and have never given a thought to taking lessons on rifle shooting so that they can actually hit something small with their guns.

Their idea of accurate shooting is "minute of deer." These are the same guys I saw hunting deer with their bird guns - shotguns with no rear sight- and they never tried to sight the gun in for shotgun slugs, either ! In fact, they didn't even know that different brands of slugs shot to different points of Impact, and just bought the cheapest slugs that K-mart was selling that fall. If they shot a deer, they often had to shoot it 5 or more times to kill the animal, and the hits would be all over the carcass.

I see that still with some ML shooters. When you talk to them, you find out quickly they are more interested in shooting fast, than in shooting accurately, and they have lots of stories about emptying their guns at a deer, thinking they hit it, but it " got away ". They also don't know how to track, and make no attempt to find that wounded animal, either. Some of the deer are brought in to the check stations by nearby hunters, who put the wounded deer down when it stumbles past them. Mostly, the coyotes and feral dogs live well when these guys are in the woods.

So, decide why you are shooting Black Powder, and then choose the loading procedure that will serve that interest the best. You can buy speed loaders, and you can cut safety corners to " Load Fast ". YOu can use those pellet powders, and plastic sabots and pistol bullets in those unmentionable guns. But, that is not what traditional Muzzleloading is all about.

Be safe, and shoot accurately.
 
Paul - good stuff- thanks for taking the time to write that all out. :hatsoff:

You addressed many of questions/thoughts - the bit about using a copper tube was like you were reading my mind! I was thinking about that - so that the charge wouldn't stick to the bore on the way down.

Of course, the dry patch between shots would help that too - another question in my mind...

I've found my flintlock to be somewhat challenging to shoot - had everything figured out and then the flint stopped sparking - shifted it forward in the clamp a bit and that helped but didn't solve the problem - so now have to look into that more. Its also a learning curve to hold "on" immediately after the flash - yes, I'm now getting fast lock but there's still the flash and smoke right there in front of your nose :hmm:

I am going to get a Lyman trade rifle (50 cal percussion) - looks to be a good value for what I want and will give me a rifle to shoot when my Pedersoli flinter is confounding me :redface:

It'll also be perfect for shooting with my scouts (I'm a scoutmaster) - I just got NRA certification as a rifle instructor and this allows me to teach the boys ml too. The percussion is a little faster to make ready and has fewer things going on at the shot - at least in perception, so better for teaching.
 
Man you guys always amaze me! Thank you for all the great info. Some day I hope to be able to help a new shooter as well as all of you have helped me. I have enjoyed shooting for many years but I have found that my GPR has brought a whole new enjoyment to my day at the range.

Thanks again.

Mike
 
For a newbie I suggest that you wright out an index card exactly how you load and in the correct sequence. This can be kept in a pocket or the shooting box. No one has to know about it and you will find that after 3 or 4 times you don't need it any more. Accept the fact that sooner or later YOU WILL DRY BALL.
 
The only thing I can suggest to you to overcome your noticing that flash is to focus on the front sight like your life depended on it, and do you slow count of seconds for your follow through. You should be able to keep from blinking your eyes until after the ball and muzzle flash are seen in front of the front sight, doing this, and if you keep your face to the stock during the follow through, which should end with the gun down out of recoil and your front sight back on the place it was when the sear broke, the flash will not bother you. I found it took a full year of active, frequent shooting to accomplish this retraining of my brain. Now, its like riding a bike. Once learned you don't forget it.

OH, I found that my follow through is much better with my percussion guns, and with my modern guns. My scores went up dramatically with both, and my groups sizes were much smaller, with fewer flyers.

If for no other reason, I recommend that rifle shooters get a flintlock to better learn all the fundamentals of rifle marskmanship, and put them together. When you can shoot a flintlock off-hand and score well, you can do it with any other kind of rifle--even a Matchlock!
 
paulvallandigham said:
The only thing I can suggest to you to overcome your noticing that flash is to focus on the front sight like your life depended on it, and do you slow count of seconds for your follow through. You should be able to keep from blinking your eyes until after the ball and muzzle flash are seen in front of the front sight, doing this, and if you keep your face to the stock during the follow through, which should end with the gun down out of recoil and your front sight back on the place it was when the sear broke, the flash will not bother you. I found it took a full year of active, frequent shooting to accomplish this retraining of my brain. Now, its like riding a bike. Once learned you don't forget it.

I learned to shoot flint guns by dry firing, replacing the flint with a wooden "flint" and firing an unloaded gun at a spot in a picture hanging on the wall.

Dry firing continued several days a week for over a month. I then went outside and flashed powder in the pan of an otherwise unloaded gun several days a week for another month.

The third month consisted of firing at a target at a range of 25 FEET with a 30 gr powder charge. I wasn't concerned about hitting the center of the bull, but only with the group size that accumulated about a foot below the bull.

Firing these very light charges is an excercise in learning follow through. It takes MUCH longer for a ball to exit the bore when propelled by a very light charge, so follow through is IMPORTANT if you expect to fire small groups.

J.D.
 
My loading process is pretty simple. I pour from the horn into a measure, then into the bore. Give it a thwack on the side to get some powder into the drum/vent. I patch a ball (patch lubed with Ballistol/water mix and allowed to dry) and push it down to the powder. I don't tamp it down, instead I just push down on the rod with 25-30 lbs of force till it's seated. For flinters, I just push it down to the powder but don't compress it much. Cap or prime and I'm done. For priming, I used about 1/3 pan full, away from the vent hole.

This has improved my groups quite a bit and is easy to repeat with consistancy.
 
I find it interesting that we have so many replies. It's great that all of you have taken the time to share your experience. We all learn from shared knowledge.

Thanks.

Mike

Percusion today Flinter next? :)
 
Welcome to "The Dark Side". Here's a tip that helped me get better groups and helped infect my son into the wonderfull word of Black: use those little red loading tubes! I pre-measure all of my charges (80) for the two of us to compete in league competition, for both revolvers and both Trade Rifles we use. Keep the different loads in well-marked cigar boxes...no problem finding empty tubes on a windy day cause they go in a "empties" box to be reused again and again. This way you can concentrate on loading your powder measure exactly the same way every time for every tube: the number of times you tap the side of the powder measure to settle the charge and top it off does make a difference! Just remember once you find your style of loading, do it the same every time right down to the number of taps you rap the ball with to make sure it's seated correctly! In this game the slightest deviation can change POI. Good luck and let us know how you do. :) All the best, Dave
 
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