Your thought on my RR getting hung up?

[Larry (Omaha)]

Hey guys, been shooting my own flintlocks since the 70s. They all have flat breech plugs with TH liners. They all clean the same with no hang up issues. My second to last build is giving me issues when cleaning/swabbing after 15 or so shots. When the barrel is clean, the RR with a jag or scrapper can go against the breech plug and have snagging issues. After the barrel gets some fowling the RR with the scrapper down in the barrel will snag so bad that I have to hook the jag ( on opposite end) on a solid object and pull the gun away to get it out. This is without any cleaning rag. Got me stumped on this one. Using GOEX or Graff 2F.
I will pull the breech plug if I have to.
Thanks
Larry

 

[ohio ramrod]

Is there a gap between the breech plug and the bore? Meaning does the breech plug fit squarely against the tapped breech? I suspect there may be a slight gap which would allow the jag to get caught and fowling to build up.I have often had to put a hollowed spacer or bushing in to prevent any gaps.

 

[Larry (Omaha)]

Is there a gap between the breech plug and the bore? Meaning does the breech plug fit squarely against the tapped breech? I suspect there may be a slight gap which would allow the jag to get caught and fowling to build up.I have often had to put a hollowed spacer or bushing in to prevent any gaps.

NONE, This is a Rice barrel with a Rice breech plug

 

[Sidney Smith]

Is your touch hole liner a bit too long? Could be that the ram rod is snagging on a burr or part of the liner.

 

[Brokennock]

I was going to suggest the same thing as Sydney Smith.

 

[Norman Brooks]

What Sydney Smith say's, touch hole liner to long or burr from threading touch hole liner hole...
EDIT If you know someone who has a bore camera, that would be easier than pulling the breech plug...

 

[Larry (Omaha)]

Is your touch hole liner a bit too long? Could be that the ram rod is snagging on a burr or part of the liner.

If I can't see it, I can not say for sure. It does not snag nor have any protruding feelings when the barrel is clean. Why does it snag when dirty? Could it be the fowling is wedging the jag or scrapper over against the TH liner?

 

[Larry (Omaha)]

What Sydney Smith say's, touch hole liner to long or burr from threading touch hole liner hole...
EDIT If you know someone who has a bore camera, that would be easier than pulling the breech plug...

I agree that scoping would help, but in order to correct the issue, I will have to pull the plug anyway. Since I purchased a set of Rice octagon barrel jaws, my breech plug removal/replace is a non issue on newer equipment.
Thanks
Larry

 

[Brokennock]

I agree that scoping would help, but in order to correct the issue, I will have to pull the plug anyway. Since I purchased a set of Rice octagon barrel jaws, my breech plug removal/replace is a non issue on newer equipment.
Thanks
Larry

Why not just pull the liner for now, see if it changes things. Take a few shots, dirty the gun. See if you have the issue again. If/when you do, back the liner out and see if the problem goes away.

 

[rafterob]

My thought too is the liner is protruding past the barrel wall, but you can usually feel that. I have that issue with my flinter. It doesn't impede the jag but it does interfere with the breech scraper. A simple fix here might be to just turn the jag down slightly to allow a little more clearance with the barrel.

 

[Larry (Omaha)]

Why not just pull the liner for now, see if it changes things. Take a few shots, dirty the gun. See if you have the issue again. If/when you do, back the liner out and see if the problem goes away.

My liners are flush with no slot or allen prep. The only way out is drill it out. Thanks anyway.
Larry

 

[Larry (Omaha)]

My thought too is the liner is protruding past the barrel wall, but you can usually feel that. I have that issue with my flinter. It doesn't impede the jag but it does interfere with the breech scraper. A simple fix here might be to just turn the jag down slightly to allow a little more clearance with the barrel.

The scraper and jag both snag, but only when the barrel is dirty. I like my scraper a fuzz under bore size so it will get closer to the bore/breech right angle. All the crud that is pushed down with a jag and patch will pile at that right angle. If the snagging was in a clean barrel I would for sure turn both down.
Larry

 

[Sidney Smith]

I agree that scoping would help, but in order to correct the issue, I will have to pull the plug anyway. Since I purchased a set of Rice octagon barrel jaws, my breech plug removal/replace is a non issue on newer equipment.
Thanks
Larry

You can turn a breech plug out with a large Crescent wrench, and just line the jaws of your vice with wood to prevent marring the barrel.. You don't need a special wrench. I always put the wrench on the parallel flats of the part of the plug where the tang is located. I always put the wrench on the side that goes into the wood. So far have never messed one up. Best thing of all you're not wrenching against any of the octagon by doing it this way.

 

[Larry (Omaha)]

You can turn a breech plug out with a large Crescent wrench, and just line the jaws of your vice with wood to prevent marring the barrel.. You don't need a special wrench. I always put the wrench on the parallel flats of the part of the plug where the tang is located. I always put the wrench on the side that goes into the wood. So far have never messed one up. Best thing of all you're not wrenching against any of the octagon by doing it this way.

Thanks, but you must have missed my 6:36 post (yesterday) This is a partial in blue:
Since I purchased a set of Rice octagon barrel jaws, my breech plug removal/replace is a non issue on newer equipment.
My 12" crescent has a 2' pipe on the handle
Larry

 

[Flintandsteel]

Larry,
I agree with the rough spot from the touch hole. Sometimes you'll get a little lip from drilling/tapping. May be very minor, but fowling may tighten it up just enough to make it bind.
A little needle file, or stone will fix it with a few swipes.
Not really much else it could be, under normal circumstances. (no unusual damage of rifling, etc.)

 

[Sidney Smith]

Thanks, but you must have missed my 6:36 post (yesterday) This is a partial in blue:
Since I purchased a set of Rice octagon barrel jaws, my breech plug removal/replace is a non issue on newer equipment.
My 12" crescent has a 2' pipe on the handle
Larry

I'm pretty sure I saw your 636 post since I replied to it and it was included in my reply.

I was just mentioning how you didn't need to purchase fancy tools to remove a breech plug since a Crescent wrench, properly used will do the job nicely.

I'm getting vibes since you reply to every post with a rebuttal, that you either know the answer to your own issue, or you just won't listen to our advice on your original query. So at this point I will exit this thread as it's obvious you aren't listening to us. Solve your own problem.

 

[Larry (Omaha)]

I'm pretty sure I saw your 636 post since I replied to it and it was included in my reply.

I was just mentioning how you didn't need to purchase fancy tools to remove a breech plug since a Crescent wrench, properly used will do the job nicely.

I'm getting vibes since you reply to every post with a rebuttal, that you either know the answer to your own issue, or you just won't listen to our advice on your original query. So at this point I will exit this thread as it's obvious you aren't listening to us. Solve your own problem.

Hey, I appreciate all honest respectful replies! Sorry if I made you feel the way you do. You have helped a good many of us here!
Larry

 

[Darkhorse]

When I complete a rifle it almost always have either burrs or part of liner intruding into the bore. It's a simple fix to me. I pull the breech plug and using swiss files and/or a dremel tool remove all the portuding liner and burrs until the barrel is smooth. You do it right and there will be no more stuck ramrods or torn patches.

 

[Larry (Omaha)]

When I complete a rifle it almost always have either burrs or part of liner intruding into the bore. It's a simple fix to me. I pull the breech plug and using swiss files and/or a dremel tool remove all the portuding liner and burrs until the barrel is smooth. You do it right and there will be no more stuck ramrods or torn patches.

I did pull the breech plug and I found my issue. The TH liner seems to be OK with the bore, but it centers on/in a rifling groove, thus creating a catch point. The rifling being a thinner point than the bore.
Me bad, obviously I did a poor job. Gotta remember though: It ain't a mistake if ya can fix it.
Thanks
Larry

 

[Norman Brooks]

It ain't a mistake if ya can fix it.