Kibler Brown Bess?

Smokey Plainsman · Aug 9, 2024

Jim Kibler asked the question on if he should consider offering a Brown Bess musket kit in the future. I am making this poll to further the discussion. What are your thoughts on the matter? Would you like seeing one? And if so, which model of Bess would you be interested in?

-Smokey

springfield art · Aug 9, 2024

I think he'd sell a battalion's worth! I've often wished for a nice little pistol kit from him! I'm glad he's a younger guy, he has many years to make people happy with his fine kits.

springfield art · Aug 9, 2024

That question as to which Model to offer would be a contentious point; re-enactors doing various periods would want their favorite Model!! Maybe choosing a variant that covers the most "mileage" would have to suffice.

Thingamajiggy · Aug 9, 2024

Not much of a bess fan but I'd love to see a pistol but I'm sure he's sell them if he made them.

springfield art · Aug 9, 2024

If enough people ask, he'll no doubt give it thought. I'm sure he's had many such requests!

jrweis1997 · Aug 9, 2024

id buy a charleville or 1795 springfield

Smokey Plainsman · Aug 9, 2024

springfield art said:
I think he'd sell a battalion's worth! I've often wished for a nice little pistol kit from him! I'm glad he's a younger guy, he has many years to make people happy with his fine kits.

It says on his profile that he’s 49 but it’s hard to believe. He looks maybe 40 at the very oldest!

Smokey Plainsman · Aug 9, 2024

I think a pistol could make a lot of business sense. He’d just need so much less raw material and they’d make a phenomenal gift for folks.

wiscoaster · Aug 9, 2024

The more the merrier. :thumb:

FlinterNick · Aug 9, 2024

Smokey Plainsman said:
Jim Kibler asked the question on if he should consider offering a Brown Bess musket kit in the future. I am making this poll to further the discussion. What are your thoughts on the matter? Would you like seeing one? And if so, which model of Bess would you be interested in?

-Smokey

Long land first model, (without getting into the specific long land details) there are no really good options for folks out there beyond a custom or Indian gun. Huge opportunity.

Robin101 · Aug 9, 2024

I have only a passing interest in military arms of the Rev. War era, I'm old and prefer making my own guns, but if Kibler made a correct style Bess of that era, Yes, I would by one.
Robin

ZUG · Aug 9, 2024

Here is my thought on this: The majority of people that use a Bess are the new reenactors and they don't care what it truly represents as long as it looks like a Bess and goes boom when the trigger is pulled. If they stay in the "game" for some time, then they will want something that DOES look like a real Bess. These are the people that will want a Kibler or other high-quality Bess. How many of those are out there - who knows? For me I would one as a wall hanger and not cost me an arm or a leg.

Commodore Swab · Aug 9, 2024

If kibler quality lives up to it's reputation he would need to lower it to military grade to be historically correct.

Before seeing another manufacturer making another bess I would like to see something Spanish. Historically they were all over America and your only options are extremely limited from India or custom from TRS.

Smokey Plainsman · Aug 9, 2024

Commodore Swab said:
If kibler quality lives up to it's reputation he would need to lower it to military grade to be historically correct.

Before seeing another manufacturer making another bess I would like to see something Spanish. Historically they were all over America and your only options are extremely limited from India or custom from TRS.

I’m not familiar with the Spaniard’s pieces. Which one should bye recreate?

Commodore Swab · Aug 9, 2024

Something with a miquelet either pre or post the 52/57 pattern. Earlier gives more flexibility on the builder.

Collie · Aug 9, 2024

I'd personally rather see them put out a matchlock kit. I know the market isn't very big for them, but I would buy one in a heartbeat

FlinterNick · Aug 9, 2024

ZUG said:
Here is my thought on this: The majority of people that use a Bess are the new reenactors and they don't care what it truly represents as long as it looks like a Bess and goes boom when the trigger is pulled. If they stay in the "game" for some time, then they will want something that DOES look like a real Bess. These are the people that will want a Kibler or other high-quality Bess. How many of those are out there - who knows? For me I would one as a wall hanger and not cost me an arm or a leg.

For most of my Brown Bess Projects, it’s either an Early Long Land or a Pattern 1756 long land or alternatively a 1728 charleville. People are really interested in that early war period with battle road, Ticonderoga, Bunker Hill etc.

Capt. Jas. · Aug 9, 2024

I think a poll on an actuall reenacting site would probably go off the charts.

Clark Badgett · Aug 9, 2024

springfield art said:
That question as to which Model to offer would be a contentious point; re-enactors doing various periods would want their favorite Model!! Maybe choosing a variant that covers the most "mileage" would have to suffice.

That would be rather hard to do. The models that were common for the F&I war were not all that common for the AWI. Yes, there were some older versions in use by Crown forces and more so for the Colonials, but the average Redcoat was carrying either a 1756, 1769 or 1777 variant.

FlinterNick · Aug 9, 2024

Clark Badgett said:
That would be rather hard to do. The models that were common for the F&I war were not all that common for the AWI. Yes, there were some older versions in use by Crown forces and more so for the Colonials, but the average Redcoat was carrying either a 1756, 1769 or 1777 variant.

A lot of those older guns were used up by the end of 1776 too and replaced by French guns.

if i could chose one musket that was used probably for the entire duration of the War it would probably be a 1756 long land.

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