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After you internet hero's on both sides of this argument get tired of chest thumping maybe you can say something about the power level of a .36 Navy....
Just saying....
Just saying....
My dad had a saying " If you don't look where ya walking ya step in Sh*t " I I agree its on them.Reminds me of what Kruschev said: Try to avoid fighting as much as you can. But if you have to fight, give it everything you have.
I have to agree.
After you internet hero's on both sides of this argument get tired of chest thumping maybe you can say something about the power level of a .36 Navy....
Just saying....
I'm aware of only one test of C&B "stopping power": Ed Sanow 1998. BLACK POWDER STOPPING POWER! Handguns February P. 43-67 (with gaps in paging)After you internet hero's on both sides of this argument get tired of chest thumping maybe you can say something about the power level of a .36 Navy....
Just saying....
French Quarter, New Orleans, LA during Mardi Gras, Thrift Store, 12t St. and Vine, Kansas City, MO. Neither exactly 'High Crime' area. Like saying you should avoid going into banks because there' a 1-1000 chance they might be held up.I probably would have been smart enough not be be in areas that have a high propensity for criminal activity. Like Mardi Gras, please, just setting yourself up for a criminal attack, IMHO
Those who read and those who study history. Besides, I was referring to the principle of the quote. It doesn't matter who said it. Besides, even though he was a bastard, he knew something about a difficult fight what with the invasion of the nazis and stopping them at the Volga. I believe the principle is also found in the book "Art of War".who would listen to anything Khrushchev had to say?
Jeddidiah may be a bit too free about giving his opinion too quickly. That said, these days, everywhere has the potential to become a high crime area.French Quarter, New Orleans, LA during Mardi Gras, Thrift Store, 12t St. and Vine, Kansas City, MO. Neither exactly 'High Crime' area. Like saying you should avoid going into banks because there' a 1-1000 chance they might be held up.
I have heard from several sources that they are comparable to .38S&W, especially when loaded with conical bullets. They have caused their fair share of dirt naps. As I'm sure you know, they were coveted by troops on both sides of the war between the states and at least tens of thousands of them were manufactured. The Colt navy was being produced even when dedicated cartridge six guns were as they were still popular. Apparently, they were still in common use up to the 1930's. They had to be effective enough to keep that kind of following. There are a number of YT videos dealing with this subject that are fun to watch, might want to check them out.After you internet hero's on both sides of this argument get tired of chest thumping maybe you can say something about the power level of a .36 Navy....
Just saying....
Good for you. Once you have one, you will never want to sell it off.Can't report on the stopping power but-----I fired my brand new Pietta Navy 36 today for the very first time at around one pm. It's close to five pm and I still can't wipe the gigantic smile off my face. By the way, this was my first time shooting black powder. OOHRAH!
I would love to see this test done again with sporting grade powders and better bullets with a large meplat.I'm aware of only one test of C&B "stopping power": Ed Sanow 1998. BLACK POWDER STOPPING POWER! Handguns February P. 43-67 (with gaps in paging)
He shot into ballistic gelatin with round balls and conicals. Stretch cavity and penetration was converted into "One-Shot-Stop" percentage using Fuller Index which is based on actual shooting results on humans.
Round balls outperformed conicals (non-HP). "The issue is velocity and energy loss in the target. Just as round ball sheds more energy in the air than conical ball, it also dumps more energy in tissue. Tissue is 800 times denser than air. Wound ballistics is where the round ball turns the table on the conical bullet."
'51 Navy 79 gr RB 22grs FFFG 1038 fps 59% one-shot-stop
1860 Army 141 gr RB 35 grs FFFG 935 fps 75% one-shot-stop
Walker 141 gr RB 60grs FFFG 1287 fps 87% one-shot-stop
'51 Navy was similar to .380 88gr HP @ 1000 fps. (59% vs 58%)
1860 Army surpasses .45 ACP Hardball (75% vs 69%)
Walker is surpassed only by modern HP ammo in .357, .44 Mag etc etc
Final note: Don't shoot the messenger. I am simply reporting Sanow's findings
Depends on both the powder used as well as the bullet. I’ve seen .36 numbers that place it squarely in the .38 Spl +P range, which makes more sense when we hear about how well it stopped a man.I have heard from several sources that they are comparable to .38S&W, especially when loaded with conical bullets. They have caused their fair share of dirt naps. As I'm sure you know, they were coveted by troops on both sides of the war between the states and at least tens of thousands of them were manufactured. The Colt navy was being produced even when dedicated cartridge six guns were as they were still popular. Apparently, they were still in common use up to the 1930's. They had to be effective enough to keep that kind of following. There are a number of YT videos dealing with this subject that are fun to watch, might want to check them out.
I had something similar happen to me. In the middle of nowhere AZ. Walking back to my truck after a day of prospecting. Couple of meth head looking guys sitting in the bed of their truck about fifty feet away. One jumps off and starts over to me in that "I'm a jackass" kind of stride. It was winter and I took off my jacket and revealed an 1860 army. That stopped him cold and panic came across his face. He wished me a good day and went back to the rock he crawled out from under. They are a big gun and look like they are full of big trauma. Just having one in sight is enough to give even a druggie burnout a second thought.I suspect that brandished Colts have given pause to thousands of would be brigands over the many years since it was made.
Went back and looked. He doesn't mention much about the conicals. He has photo of the 200 gr conical used in the .44s. Its front end profile resembles that of .45ACP Hardball. He doesn't mention powder brand. However, his ROA RB velocity was1031 with 40 grs 3F (brand not given). Twelve shots from my ROA and RB with 35 grs 3 Swiss was 1070. So he wasn't using Swiss for sure.I would love to see this test done again with sporting grade powders and better bullets with a large meplat.
Sounds like the Lee RN, I’m not sure if any others that would have been common, but it’s not like I’ve researched that.Went back and looked. He doesn't mention much about the conicals. He has photo of the 200 gr conical used in the .44s. Its front end profile resembles that of .45ACP Hardball. He doesn't mention powder brand. However, his ROA RB velocity was1031 with 40 grs 3F (brand not given). Twelve shots from my ROA and RB with 35 grs 3 Swiss was 1070. So he wasn't using Swiss for sure.
Regarding big meplats and hot BP it seems certain one-shot-stops would be greater than Sanow's results. But if one used hot BP (example Swiss 3F) with round balls I would guess those one-stop-shot percentage would also increase. The 'test' by Sanow was to see how C&B theoretically performed in the era in which these guns were used. Your test which I think is interesting is entirely different and would not necessarily invalidate what Sanow found in the context of the C&B era. Your test would however provide useful information for shooters on today.
I reload and shoot both. Depends on the load.I need comparisons. I have heard they are equal to a .38 special??
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