How is this Schuetzen FFFg Powder?

Grenadier1758 · Saturday at 3:45 PM

longcruise said:
Scheutzen branded as Elephant??

I don't think that was ever the case. Pretty sure it always came out of the Wano plant whereas Elephant came out of Brazil.

He's correct. Elephant was a South American powder and Schuetzen is from Germany. Elephant is far dirtier than Schuetzen, but for several years about the late 1990's, it was just about the only powder available and kept us shooting. It was still easier to ignite than Pyrodex.

WonkyEye · Saturday at 8:29 PM

I started with 1lb of 2F Goex, the shop near me carries Scheutzen, I've been shooting their 3F since. I didn't notice a difference at the time of the switch. now that I'm dialed in and worked out a ball, patch, lube combo, and a load of 3f Scheutzen, it would be interesting to work up a load with Goex and see which I like better.

Togo · Sunday at 12:27 AM

dave951 said:
I have no problems with Schuetzen and it's no dirtier than Goex. I prefer Schuetzen because they support youth black powder programs while Goex does not. So unless and until Goex changes their policy in that regard, I'll never use it promote it. So keep that in mind when reading threads about declining black powder shooting.

While I like the idea that WANO supports youth programs, I still always default back to American made products if I can.

Jimbob · Sunday at 8:16 AM

longcruise said:
Scheutzen branded as Elephant??

I don't think that was ever the case. Pretty sure it always came out of the Wano plant whereas Elephant came out of Brazil.

This is correct!

Omahkapi'si · Sunday at 8:23 AM

Heading out shortly to burn some Scheutzen 3F.

dave951 · Sunday at 8:35 AM

Togo said:
While I like the idea that WANO supports youth programs, I still always default back to American made products if I can.

I get that BUT don't go complaining about no youth getting into black powder shooting sports

Rifleman1776 · Sunday at 11:12 AM

My experience is no perceptible difference in performance between Goex and Scheutzen.

Omahkapi'si · Sunday at 11:41 AM

We’re lucky that anybody is making BP in today’s world. American or otherwise.

Twisted_1in66 · Sunday at 1:57 PM

longcruise said:
Scheutzen branded as Elephant??

I don't think that was ever the case. Pretty sure it always came out of the Wano plant whereas Elephant came out of Brazil.

You're probably correct @longcruise. Elephant brand disappeared in Vermont and Schuetzen showed up. Muzzleloaders at the annual Winter Biathlon in VT said it was Elephant powder with a new name back in about 2004/2005 and since I was fairly new at flintlocks I presumed they knew.

The part about fouling with blank loads (powder only) at reenactments was very true though, but fouling with a patched ball is much different than fouling using powder only. Shooting a patched ball is much cleaner than firing a blank charge. Additionally, I use Stumpy's Moose Snot as my patch lube and it effectively cleans the fouling from the last shot when you seat the next one as long as I use enough of it, so it actually wouldn't be much of a problem for me. It works so well I never have to make a cleaning wipe between shots. I never used Schuetzen for either target practice or to hunt with, so I can't speak to its performance there.

kyron4 · Sunday at 11:32 PM

Rifleman1776 said:
My experience is no perceptible difference in performance between Goex and Scheutzen.

Same here. I find the humidity level of the day being the biggest factor in fouling. A dry winter afternoon I can shoot all day with no issues, a damp humid summer morning and the bore has to be wiped after about 5 shots. That's regardless of powder brand.

Coke or Pepsi, Chevy or Ford, pick your poison.

B P Maniac Shooter · Sunday at 11:53 PM

Here is Schuetzen & Swiss in various usages:

dave951 · Monday at 7:36 AM

Omahkapi'si said:
We’re lucky that anybody is making BP in today’s world. American or otherwise.

There's a HUGE misconception as to black powder usage in the world today. We, in our funny, old fashioned clothing and with our stinky antique arms are NOT the main user of the holy black. That would be Uncle Sam and the fireworks industry, but mostly Uncle. Nearly all munitions have a "booster" of black powder as part of the initiator charge to the main charge, especially artillery and that goes way back. Couple that factoid with the amount of artillery rounds Uncle stockpiles and/or has been selling to Ukraine lately and I'd be very surprised to see Goex selling to the civilian market in any quantity. Ever wonder why Goex can't seem to keep a plant up and running while the Europeans have no such trouble? Not saying the fire had suspicious origins but it wouldn't surprise me one bit somebody sympathetic to Russia may have been in the locale. There have been fiber optic internet and communication cables cut by a Chinese ship dragging their anchor across them, why not yet another accident at the Goex plant in an attempt to disrupt production? Goex has been identified as a "critical industry" for the military industrial complex and that's why it wasn't allowed to go bankrupt.

Omahkapi'si · Monday at 10:45 AM

Goex does seem to be accident prone that’s for sure.

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