I’m at a loss

Daytime Smoker · Friday at 9:30 PM

So, I got this traditions deer hunter as a project from my father. Dad had an optic and had it drilled and tapped. No big deal. I took the scope and rings off. What I can’t figure out is how to change it back to a normal nipple. He had a mag spark and I’m not a fan of those anyway. Not that I have anything against them, just not my style. Anyway, how in the heck do I change it back? Here are a few pics after I got the mag spark nipple or topper off. Do I try to take the drum off? Like I said ya can’t beat basically free. And it’s a muzzy, so I’ll take those all day any day. Plus, I have a soft spot for something that came from my dad. Any help would be appreciated.

Anthony

nchawkeye · Friday at 9:37 PM

The Mag Spark screws out and you screw in a new nipple, you will have to figure out what size threads are in the drum.

2 shots · Friday at 9:39 PM

is it the pic or are those holes mighty deep in the breech area??

snakebit · Friday at 9:48 PM

2 shots said:
is it the pic or are those holes mighty deep in the breech area??

Yep. That's what I noticed too.

BoomStick · Friday at 9:52 PM

Soak it in a penetrating oil (kroil) for a day, grab the mag spark with a needle nose vice grip. You'll probably mess it up gripping it like that but if you're not keeping it...that's what I would try.

Can also try filing 2 flats on it and try a spanner, but could be kinda thin for much filing.

Or hack saw through the middle to create a slot and a big screwdriver.

2 shots · Friday at 9:55 PM

have you checked to see if it is loaded?? soak it and find an ez out that fits . try to use it in the larger part ,not the flash channel.

Daytime Smoker · Friday at 10:07 PM

2 shots said:
have you checked to see if it is loaded?? soak it and find an ez out that fits . try to use it in the larger part ,not the flash channel.

It’s not loaded. That’s the first thing I always check.

Daytime Smoker · Friday at 10:08 PM

BoomStick said:
Soak it in a penetrating oil (kroil) for a day, grab the mag spark with a needle nose vice grip. You'll probably mess it up gripping it like that but if you're not keeping it...that's what I would try.

Can also try filing 2 flats on it and try a spanner, but could be kinda thin for much filing.

Or hack saw through the middle to create a slot and a big screwdriver.

That’s definitely crossed my mind.

Daytime Smoker · Friday at 10:10 PM

2 shots said:
is it the pic or are those holes mighty deep in the breech area??

It’s the pic and angle. I vaguely remember using this when I was younger. Well, dad used it more than me. I think back in the day when Tennessee introduced a Blackpowder season. I do think Dad built this from a kit but had a smith drill and tap it for him. That’s been many years ago.

Mad Professor · Friday at 10:27 PM

Daytime Smoker said:
It’s the pic and angle. I vaguely remember using this when I was younger. Well, dad used it more than me. I think back in the day when Tennessee introduced a Blackpowder season. I do think Dad built this from a kit but had a smith drill and tap it for him. That’s been many years ago.

Those holes should get filled with the correct size screws.

I think the threads should be 6-1mm for the nipple.

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CScott · Friday at 10:59 PM

I bought a TC with a Mag Spark type primer adapter and found it was removable by a hex (Allen) wrench inserted down through the nipple.

ppg1949 · Saturday at 12:53 AM

For the holes, take one of the screws that you removed and go to your local hardware store. To my knowledge they all have a screw thread sizing template to find the right size thread you need. Most local hardware stores carry a selection of gunsmithing screws. I’m not sure about the big box stores. I had bought a barrel with the same problem. My local Ace Hardware store had what I needed. I bought several different lengths to make sure I got the correct one. If nothing else, by using the screw thread template you will at least know what size thread you will need.
Good luck.

aussie pete · Saturday at 2:05 AM

Daytime Smoker said:
So, I got this traditions deer hunter as a project from my father. Dad had an optic and had it drilled and tapped. No big deal. I took the scope and rings off. What I can’t figure out is how to change it back to a normal nipple. He had a mag spark and I’m not a fan of those anyway. Not that I have anything against them, just not my style. Anyway, how in the heck do I change it back? Here are a few pics after I got the mag spark nipple or topper off. Do I try to take the drum off? Like I said ya can’t beat basically free. And it’s a muzzy, so I’ll take those all day any day. Plus, I have a soft spot for something that came from my dad. Any help would be appreciated.

Anthony

I'd be doing what BoomStick advised - Dremel or cut a slot through the middle so you can use a screwdriver to get some leverage to turn it back out. I suspect you will be right with a replacement nipple, as those Mag Spark devices matched the same thread as the gun.

Pete

Sparkitoff · Saturday at 6:39 AM

CScott said:
it was removable by a hex (Allen) wrench inserted down through the nipple.

This is correct. There's a hex shape in there and the appropriate sized tool should take it right out.

Daytime Smoker · Saturday at 8:25 AM

Sparkitoff said:
This is correct. There's a hex shape in there and the appropriate sized tool should take it right out.

Hmm.. I’ll see what I can come up with. Thank you for that tip.

Anthony

Daytime Smoker · Saturday at 8:26 AM

ppg1949 said:
For the holes, take one of the screws that you removed and go to your local hardware store. To my knowledge they all have a screw thread sizing template to find the right size thread you need. Most local hardware stores carry a selection of gunsmithing screws. I’m not sure about the big box stores. I had bought a barrel with the same problem. My local Ace Hardware store had what I needed. I bought several different lengths to make sure I got the correct one. If nothing else, by using the screw thread template you will at least know what size thread you will need.
Good luck.

Thank you! I hav an ace out in town. I remember working at one when I was a young pup, that they always had very unique screws and threads with different pitches.

Anthony

Ed C. · Saturday at 9:56 AM

Vise grips if you have enough room to get them on there and brake it loose, then turn it out with pliers.

kelljp · Saturday at 10:05 AM

I have removed several of these by unscrewing them with an Allen wrench as was stated above.

Eric Krewson · Saturday at 10:13 AM

Those deep scope mounting holes scare, I would put in the screws to fill them in with red Loctite.

longcruise · Saturday at 12:14 PM

Yes, I did that with some over length screws on several TC barrels. Then cut them off and file to match.

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