Talk about a clueless post. Folks have been tuning new revolvers for nearly as long as they've existed. That happened when they were top dollar Colt SAA's and it happens now with $300 replicas. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out these guns are rough and not exactly hand fitted from the factory. Shocking to learn that the cheaper guns need more help.
Open top Colt tuning explained.
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Yeah.......
I remember back in the 60's and 70's when people said you had to tune up your S&W model 19 and your Colt double actions etc. etc.
As a past master class shooter I think most of you guys would be better off practicing than trying to buy your way into being a better shooter, which I think is pretty clueless.
Now that is funny. Practice can't make up for gritty actions, heavy triggers and parts that eat themselves.
This ain't the 60's or 70's and we're not talking about Colt or S&W DA's.
This ain't the 60's or 70's and we're not talking about Colt or S&W DA's.
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Yikes man, really?
I've got a large number of reproductions from both Pietta and Uberti, and as a whole, they're really not nice. Not up to the standards of modern revolver makers, not even close.
Poor fitment, bad machining due to worn out tooling, poor tolerances, flashing, poor polish, dangerous bolt caused action lockup, bad springs, loose arbors, hammer to nipple clearances that destroy nipples after only a few cylinders... I could go on.
And I'm not saying any of that because I've paid someone to fix my guns for me and need to justify the cost. I've fixed them all myself. It's quite handy to have gunsmiths post up what they do to their guns to make them actually function.
Why are you trying to beat this to death? Shouldn't even be discussion on it. Individuals are free to tune or not tune their guns. For those than do not have the tools or experience to DIY there are gunsmiths that can do a very good professional job for them. Where is the problem? I think it is a given that a high percentage of replicas out of the box are not near perfect guns. Novices may not even be aware of the things that can be done to improve their gun and enhance their BP experience.
Thank you... the whole idea behind this post was to provide some education and options on these pistols for the novice and those that want a solid reliable pistol. Being basically called a thief doe's not sit well.
Fanboy? Feel better about myself? Smells like projection. I have 117 revolvers, including 93 single actions. The vast majority of which have traditional Colt-style lockwork. Probably over a dozen are custom guns to varying degrees, from basic tune-ups and finish work to full fledged blueprinted five-shot conversions. I didn't need to drink Kool Aid or have someone tell me that some had actions that were rough as a cob. Virtually any revolver benefits from basic tuning, some more than others. IMHO, this is basic knowledge and any revolver shooter worth their salt understands this.
Exactly!
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Your right of course....
But I will say I have been extremely lucky when it comes to firearm purchases, I bought a Uberti High Wall when I first started shooting BPCR, in a very short amount of time I was out shooting guys with Shiloh Sharps (never a fan of Sharps anyway). I did graduate to custom guns later in pursuit of excellence however. Out of all the purchases I have made I have only been disappointed less than six times.
I bought a Uberti 1851 and it is a very nice gun, trigger is crisp and if the arbor is short I cannot detect it. My biggest complaint is the sights, but that is what is supposed to be on a Colt open top. It shoots very well with round ball all things considered, I cannot get conicals to shoot worth a darn however.
So I will let you guys continue, I hope the money you spend gives you some satisfaction.
I have been making my own decisions for a whole lot of years.
If I elect to have a gun worked on, that is on me. I don't see any presenting of facts, just an opinion.
On the flip side, I see two men explaining their work in clear terms and Mike has pictures, granted D Yager needs to get it in gear (grin) but there is hope. Now which side of an decision of who I would trust do you think I would come down on? Hint, its not the guy with sour grapes.
If I elect to have a gun worked on, that is on me. I don't see any presenting of facts, just an opinion.
On the flip side, I see two men explaining their work in clear terms and Mike has pictures, granted D Yager needs to get it in gear (grin) but there is hope. Now which side of an decision of who I would trust do you think I would come down on? Hint, its not the guy with sour grapes.
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Being a gear head I used to tune up all my vehicles, as they have become more complicated and technical, and specialized equipment, I now take them to the professionals who have the training and equipment.
I'm also a trained gunsmith but if I run into a firearm, I don't have experience in tuning up, I will send it to someone who has the equipment and knowledge. Simple as that.
I'm also a trained gunsmith but if I run into a firearm, I don't have experience in tuning up, I will send it to someone who has the equipment and knowledge. Simple as that.
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I am new to black powder and the reason I joined this forum was to learn from the guys who know their stuff. If I feel like I'm getting in over my head at least I know I can send it to someone if I choose.
And this is where 45D and D Yager are so valuable, they give you that option.
I overhauled gasoline and diesel engines back in the day. Its not that I can't work on them (well physically I have impediments) its like bpd303 put it, you need the equipment and even training as its changed so much, you will miss a nuance in the exotic stuff in engines now.
Sure I can fix the Arbor issue, I can solder a front sight on, but some like the plate for the bolt, hmmm, maybe, but how much trial and error vs sending it to someone who does it all the time?
Mike and D Yager gives us options. They gives us proof they know what they are doing. Good enough for me and I worked with contractors for years so my default is doubt. I don't doubt them.
Me too and I still can & have the equipment. USCG trained Engineman. Love the GMC 671 marine turbocharged diesel.
I am so happy to have your permission to continue... did you note the sarcasm? On another note I have worked on just about everything from string trimmers to Cummins KT 19 diesels including aircraft both fixed wing and rotary wing. Not trying to one up anyone. My main thing here is to provide a quality product for a reasonable price for those wish to take advantage of it. Sharing information is a part of it.
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Damn, these "discussions" are why I haven't logged on here in months. Mike and D aren't asking for anything in return for the info they share. I find that pretty generous. If you don't agree, let it go and move on please.
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I overhauled gasoline and diesel engines back in the day. Ed says: Not that it has anything to do with BP, but, as a EN2 in the Navy I overhauled Fairbanks Morse opposed piston diesels several times. Quite a jump from working on big 'ol diesel parts to the tiny internals of BP revolvers.
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