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This one I like to call “The Rifleman Who would have been King” of American Riflemen in the AWI, had he actually made this shot.

The following quote is from the British Officer George Hanger, 4th Baron Coleraine and is probably the most descriptive quote I have seen about American Rifle Accuracy in the AWI. To judge the quality of documentation it is always best to know as much as we can about the person who wrote it.

Wiki gives an excellent summary on this Officer:
“In 1776 he purchased a lieutenantcy, but he retired in disgust after a more junior officer purchased promotion over him. He then purchased a captaincy in the Hessian Jägers and served throughout the American Revolutionary War, transferring to Sir Banastre Tarleton's British Legion as a major and as commander of its light dragoons. In the Battle of Charlotte of 1780, Hanger commanded the legion due to Tarleton's illness, ordering it to ride into Charlotte, North Carolina without taking precautions to guard against surprise attacks. As a consequence, the legion's cavalry was badly mauled by Patriot militia that had set up an ambush in the town centre. Hanger was wounded in the battle, which he termed a "trifling insignificant skirmish". He shortly thereafter fell ill, probably with yellow fever, and was shipped to the Bahamas to recuperate.”

What was not mentioned in the above Wiki Article is that George Hanger was also known as one of, if not perhaps THE Best Rifle Shot in the British Army, though I have never found documentation that he shot against Major Patrick Ferguson of the Ferguson Breech Loading Rifle Fame.

So now on to the quote:

“I never in my life saw better rifles (or men who shot better) than those made in America: they are chiefly made in Lancaster, and two or three neighboring towns in that vicinity, in Pennsylvania. The barrels weigh about six pounds two or three ounces, and carry a ball no larger than thirty-six to the pound; at least I never saw one of a larger caliber, and I have seen many hundreds and hundreds. [1] I am not going to relate any thing respecting the American war; but to mention one instance, as a proof of most excellent skill of an American rifleman. If any man shew me an instance of better shooting, I will stand corrected.

Colonel, now General Tartleton, and myself, were standing a few yards out of a wood [2], observing the situation of a part of the enemy which we intended to attack. There was a rivulet in the enemy's front, and a mill on it, to which we stood directly with our horses' heads fronting, observing their motions. It was an absolute plain field between us and the mill; not so much as a single bush on it. [3] Our orderly-bugle stood behind us, about three yards, but with his horse's side to our horses' tails. [4] A rifle-man passed over the mill-dam, evidently observing two officers, and laid himself down on his belly; for, in such positions, they always lie, to take a good shot at a long distance. [5] He took a deliberate and. cool shot at my friend, at me, and the bugle-horn man. (I have passed several times over this ground, and ever observed it with the greatest attention; and I can positively assert that the distance he fired from, at us, was full four hundred yards). [6] Now, observe how well this fellow shot. 6It was in the month of August, and not a breath of wind was stirring. [7] Colonel Tartleton's horse and mine, I am certain, were not anything like two feet apart; for we were in close consultation, how we should attack with our troops, which laid 300 yards in the wood, and could not be perceived by the enemy. [8]

A rifle-ball passed between him and me; looking directly to the mill, I observed the flash of the powder. l said to my friend, "I think we had better move, or we shall have two or three of these gentlemen, shortly, amusing themselves at our expence." The words were hardly out of my mouth, when the bugle horn man, behind us, and directly central, jumped off his horse, and said, "Sir, my horse is shot." The horse staggered, fell down, and died. He was shot directly behind the fore-leg, near to the heart, at least where the great blood-vessels lie, which lead to the heart. [9] He took the saddle and bridle off, went into the wood, and got another horse. We had a number of spare horses, led by ***** lads.”

There are real gems in the article above that I think are well worth mentioning.

[1] I am unsure what to make of Hanger’s claim about having seen so many American rifles, though he probably saw quite a few in his service with the Jaegers and then Tarleton’s command. A 36 ball to the pound rifle would have shot a ball of approximately .503 or .50 caliber, though other documentation shows rifles of .52 caliber had been very popular for some time before and during the AWI. Since Hanger and no one else had precision measuring instruments in those days, he may have meant a .52 caliber rifle as the largest common ball size OR he may have just been guessing about the bore size.

[2], [4], and [8] Tell us much about what the Rifleman saw that day. The Officers and the “Bugle Horn Man” were a few yards out in front of woods where they could be clearly seen. Though they wore Green Jackets, Tarleton’s and Hanger’s Jackets were trimmed in Silver. The Bugle was most likely highly polished. Any of the above items glinting in the sun would have distinguished Tarleton and Hanger as Officers, though I doubt the American Rifleman would have recognized Tarleton’s face at that distance, even if he had been seen before by the Rifleman.

[3], [5], [6] and [7] Speak to the almost perfect and idyllic conditions for the shot the Rifleman made on that day. There was nothing that impeded the aim of the Rifleman and was as clear of a shot as one could hope for. He had plenty of time to take “a deliberate and cool aim” at the Officers and did so from the most stable shooting position possible.

The gigantic thing I think is often missed is there was “not a breath of wind” to throw off the shot from the wind. Cross winds greatly affect flintlock PRB rifles and more so than our modern guns, which such cross winds stiff affect a lot. It does not take much of a wind to throw a PRB off target at 400 yards with a Flintlock Rifle. Why this is important is: the ONLY thing the Rifleman had to concentrate on was how high to hold over the Officer/s Head/s and did not have to worry about estimating how a nonexistent wind would affect the ball in flight. So that made the shot immensely easier than had there been a cross wind.

Now the one negative thing the Rifleman had to contend with almost certainly was some heat wave distortion between him and the Officers. This because the shot was made “in the month of August” and the Carolinas are often HOT in that month. Heat wave distortion almost certainly factored into the shot and caused difficulty in taking a good aim. However, IF it was not a very hot day for heat wave distortion to form, this would not have been a factor.

[9] Speaks to the results of the shot. We will probably never know exactly which British Officer the Rifleman was aiming at. Having been on horseback, their torso’s were high enough to be clearly seen and aimed at. The shot itself, even though with about as perfect conditions as one could hope for, was a MISS.

The shot was off for both incorrect elevation and incorrect windage. Since there was “not a breath of wind,” we can be fairly certain the Rifleman was not used to firing at that distance, as he did not have to hold left or right for cross winds. Since the shot landed so low when it hit the “bugle ”“ man’s horse,” we can infer the Rifleman did not know what elevation or higher point of aim to use. Of course the problem for us is the Rifleman was not identified and we have no way of knowing his true ability and experience with his Rifle. We can be fairly certain 400 yards was beyond his effective range, though.

Of course IF the Rifleman had actually hit and at least wounded or killed Tarleton, we almost assuredly would know his identity, as it most likely would have been celebrated throughout the Colonies. Tarleton was so hated by so many Patriots, that anyone who did him in would have been a Hero of the Revolution.

One may think I am a bit harsh in my evaluation of the Rifleman, but I don’t mean to be. I believe he had to have been a pretty darn good shot or he would not have come that close to hitting either Tarleton or Hanger, as he did not miss by a huge amount when considering the distance and the rifle. I must say though, that this account clearly shows a 400 yard shot with a Long Rifle was beyond the effective range of at least one and probably many, if not most, American rifles of the period - at least for use in combat.

Gus
 
Whilst there were (and are) many extraordinarily good shots with flintlocks about one must bear in mind four things:

1. No one ever mentions the innumerable times shots were fired and missed. I call this the 'cousin around the corner coincidence' - "I was thinking of my cousin the other day, turned the corner and there he was!" No mention that he thought of his cousin quite often and did not meet him.

2. Washington was so taken with riflemen that he did his best to get rid of them and replace them with muskets. This is a comment upon the military benefits of the musket, not it's accuracy.

3. European trained infantry expected to have to advance in the face of what we would today call effective fire and to sustain losses in doing so. Experience of receiving rifle fire whose firers were of varying skill, at uncertain ranges, with varying powder quality, under stress and in varying winds accustomed them to it. The counter was to close rapidly to within the rifle's lengthy reload time and charge with the bayonet which would normally induce the riflemen to flee or die on the bayonet.

4. Every rifle has an inherent accuracy. ie if it were held absolutely the same, loaded the same etc. the shots would still have a variation. Often small in a good weapon but still there would be some. Overlay the same variation of even the best shot and the combined variation will be sufficient to cause a miss sometimes on a small target at a distance.


There is no doubt of the accuracy and military uses of the rifle. Indeed British forces constantly increased their proportion of rifle armed light infantry throughout the war and we have several examples of target shooting in England of these rifles together with their targets and a man's head is in real danger out to 300 yards. Equally it would be hit less often as range increases and would be a genuine but poor risk when the range was uncertain and with significant wind. I am not aware of equivalent information on American shoots of the same period (ie including all the shots of a string, not specifying some especially good ones) although such would be valuable information. The rainbow arch of roundball trajectory makes range determination crucial to accuracy. 25 yards out at 400 yards will cause the ball to fly above or fall short. On a range or in a shooting competition the range is normally given. Even the varying heights of a man being shot at will tell at over 150 yards. Is that a short man with a tall hat or a tall man with a short hat? Is he wearing light trousers in long grass or long boots in short grass?

Perhaps my point is that we have reliable measures of good shots using good rifles in competitions at known ranges in good weather. They can be remarkably accurate but this accuracy does not necessarily carry across to military rifle fire and our guide should be the usual accuracy not the occasional commendable hits. Even these good examples show several shots in a string missing a man. Equally they were accurate enough to frighten me were I the target.

I have just been watching a video of the Baker rifle at 300 yards: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gdtz4rXV-Yg and the Baker Rifle was , essentially, a British made version of the German Jaeger of the 18th century.
 
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If I may say so, that was a very good post with some excellent points.

I have to politely disagree that a man's head would have been in real danger out to 300 yards, though, and for many of the reasons you cited in your post above. Hitting a man's head at 200 yards is very difficult and beyond that, the drop of the ball in the flight trajectory makes it a very uncertain shot. However, a man's Torso may have been in danger out to 300 yards as that is a much bigger target and for some of that distance the rifleman could aim at the top of the enemy's hat.

We also have to consider a 300 yard shot was DOUBLE the range, at which, so many accounts show the Riflemen could make good hits and there is almost no evidence such long range shooting was ever practiced by most American Riflemen before the war. However, as noted before, they may and probably did get more practice at longer ranges during the war.

Thanks for adding your thoughts.

Gus
 
I watched as a young man, my grandfather stand at the back door, offhand, shoot a crow at 175 paces, his rifle was the same 30-30 Winchester he had ALL HIS LIFE. now the amazing thing was: before the shot, he said he was going to try to his this crow in the head, when I paced off the distance, and picked up the crow...it had no head.
I never doubted his ability again.....

so, yup, there are men that can do what we consider the impossible......and the old adage: Beware of the one-gun man!"
marc n tomtom
 
Hanger had a lot to say.

Hanger, George, A letter to Lord Castlereagh. 1789:

“I have many times asked the American backwoodsmen what was the most their best marksmen could do; and they have constantly told me that an expert rifleman, provided he can draw good and true sight (they mean by this expression, when they can distinctly see the object aimed at in a direct line with the two sights on the rifle), can hit the head of a man at 200 yards. I am certain provided an American rifleman was to get a perfect aim at 300 yards at me, he would most undoubtedly hit me, unless if was a very windy day, so much so as to occasion the ball considerably to deflect.”

_General George Hanger to all Sportsmen, Farmers, and Gamekeepers_, 1814

"I have often asked American riflemen, what was the most they thought they could do with their rifle? They have replied, that they thought they were generally sure of splitting a man’s head at two hundred yards, for so they term their hitting the head. I have also asked several whether they could hit a man at four hundred yards,----they have replied certainly, or shoot very near him, by only aiming at the top of his head. Remember, gentlemen, they have but one sight, and I have told you the height of that sight from the barrel."

Spence
 
Spence,

Thanks for adding those quotes.

I do have to mention Hanger did not mention he actually saw such accuracy and that it was only heresay evidence to him about them being able to split a head at 200 yards either usually or even often.

Further, the second quote is "at best" American Riflemen further pulling Hanger's leg. This because the drop of the ball at 400 is well over the almost 10 foot drop at 300 yards. So "aiming at the head" at 400 yards was pure "joshing" or "blowing smoke" up Hanger's....well, you know. :haha:

It seems Hanger was willing to believe "tall tales" that were not actually supported by evidence.

However, as in the quote above that Hanger actually did witness and the shooting conditions were darn near perfect, the rifleman MISSED the shot at 400 yards.

Gus
 
Artificer said:
It seems Hanger was willing to believe "tall tales" that were not actually supported by evidence.
Strange for a man you just described as "one of, if not perhaps THE Best Rifle Shot in the British Army". :confused:

Maybe that explains why we won?

Spence
 
Actually, not strange at all. I have personally heard some of the best modern rifle shots and Snipers tell "tall tales" as well, even though some of them made some almost unbelievable shots.

Hanger's comments about seeing "hundreds and hundreds" of American Rifles AND being able to estimate bore size is almost certainly a "tall tale" he told.

Hanger seems to have been extremely impressed with the 400 shot he actually saw and was a pure miss. Even though he was noted as perhaps the best rifle shot in the British Army, it seems clear he believed in tall tales above and beyond what those Riflemen could actually do - as is easily identified from him passing along the statement about aiming at a soldier's head at 400 yards. Had that been true, either he or Tarleton almost certainly would have been hit that day.

Gus
 
The thing that strikes me is that there were three people and three horses, one of them broadside, all in a tight clump. The "target" seen by the rifleman would essentially be 10' wide by 7' or 8' high.

You might call it "flock shooting" but even at 400 yards, that's a mighty big target with no wind. If he got the elevation anywhere close to right, his odds of hitting something were pretty good. And hit he did.

Lay up a 10'x7' target at 400 yards, and I bet a fairly high percentage of hits could be managed by an experienced rifleman with a good prone rest.
 
I have often been rather startled to see the old boys describe how they think of aiming and shooting at far distant targets. More than one of them says it is like Hanger, aim at the head to hit them at great distance. This one from Wm. Duane in his Handbook For Riflemen, 1812, is fairly typical.

"The course of the smooth ball is also considerably deflected above the horizontal line of the barrel when aim is taken, so considerably that it becomes necessary to aim lower than the level line when the objects are near, and to aim higher than level line when beyond a given distance; but though there is some elevation of the rifle ball in its course, it is yet relatively so small that it is not required to aim lower than the object at any distance, though when at a considerable distance, say 500 to 700 yards, it is necessary to take a higher aim, in order to countervail the power of gravity upon the weight of the ball.

And Hanger definitely believed it, said it more than once.

"Gentlemen, I can assure you, on my word, that the American riflemen have but one sight behind to their guns: I mean, by this, that they have no rising-sight, by which to give their guns a greater degree of elevation; and that one sight is not above two sixteenths of an inch in height above the barrel. I do believe, that, if he shot at a man standing still, at four hundred yards, by only aiming at the man’s head, that he would drop the ball into his breast, not lower, or go so near to him as to alarm him devilishly."

According to our modern understanding of trajectories, this is obviously impossible. However, those old boys weren't idiots, and they were there, on the ground, their lives were at stake, and they had more experience than most of us can imagine. I was never able to reconcile their descriptions with what I know about round ball ballistics, and so have decided there is a disconnect, somewhere, maybe in their descriptions, which are giving us a false impression of what they are saying.

What we have here is failure to communicate. :grin:

Spence
 
Spence10 said:
I was never able to reconcile their descriptions with what I know about round ball ballistics, and so have decided there is a disconnect, somewhere, maybe in their descriptions, which are giving us a false impression of what they are saying.

I think the disconnect is in modern perceptions of how to aim a rifle for distance shooting. We level the front sight with the rear, then elevate the whole works higher and higher to raise point of impact.

I've never seen it described in any of those old accounts, but among the geezers I've shot with over the last 60 years, the more common adjustment for distant shooting was to raise the front sight above the rear sight so you could still use the top of the front sight to find an aiming point. By the same token, the front sight could be lowered below the rear for closer shooting.

The term "fine bead" or "fine aim" is derived from that practice, as are others. I kinda wonder about the origins of the term "Kentucky windage," and whether that refers more to the sight adjustments than to aligning the sights normally, then shifting the rifle.

I have to dig out my old Elmer Keith books and see if he references the origins, but he was a strong advocate of raising the front sight above the rear for distance shooting, to the point of engraving elevation marks on the rear face of the front sight.

Try it yourself next time you get a chance to shoot out around 200 yards and beyond. We do a lot of it, and it's pretty easy to get the elevation consistently right on fixed targets if you keep raising that front sight until you're hitting, then use your knife point to scratch an "elevation line" at the right spot on that front sight.

Speculation without the insightful writing of a period historian, but real basic marksmanship that survived through the years until guys started buying scopes and forgetting how to use front sights.
 
I understand what you are mentioning with modern guns, but they don't have anywhere NEAR the drop at long range that Flintlock PRB rifles do.

There are two other methods some have described when using the TINY front sights of most original rifles, though they are from speculation without documenttion.

One is holding the head higher over the normal cheek position, though that one gets shaky at best at 300 yards even when shooting from a solid bench rest.

One is something like what you mentioned, but they used part of the barrel behind the front sight to align with the top of the rear sight and still hold the front sight on the enemy's head. The suggestion is they scribed a line or lines on the barrel for longer ranges. At least this one would give a shooter a more repeatable reference point for aiming, so it is at least plausible, but still difficult to align the rear sight on a line on the barrel while aligning the front sight on the head of an enemy.

Gus
 
Artificer said:
One is something like what you mentioned, but they used part of the barrel behind the front sight to align with the top of the rear sight and still hold the front sight on the enemy's head. The suggestion is they scribed a line or lines on the barrel for longer ranges. At least this one would give a shooter a more repeatable reference point for aiming, so it is at least plausible, but still difficult to align the rear sight on a line on the barrel while aligning the front sight on the head of an enemy.

That's zackly what I'm talking about. Barrel marking is an extension of the same process, but for even more elevation of the front sight.

Even with short front sights, as a matter of course I shoot with the base of the front sight level with the rear sight, just to see where it's hitting and how far out POI crosses line of sight, or how far it's "sighted in." The front sight on my 54 cal GPR for example is right at 1/8" high, very similar to the reference in a previous post. With it sighted in dead on at 75 yards with the sights level, using the base of the front sight pushes my aimed POI out to about 225 yards. Haven't tried it yet, but with that sight hold, what would you guess my POI would be if I aimed at an English general's head at 400 yards?

My point is that with that single change in reference point at the front of the barrel, I'm betting my "225 yard sight in" would come lots closer to center of mass at 400 yards.

ANY firing at distance with sights aligned conventionally leaves the target completely obscured by the sights. An elevated front sight lets you to retain a discrete aiming point, allowing further and easier aiming adjustments for subsequent shots, too.

Play with it. I think you'll impress yourself at distance with the "battlefield" accuracy potential even if it's nothing you'd use responsibly on game today. I've always been suspicious that the noted long range hits in the day were made with the elevated front sight, simply because there is no way to have "aimed" the shot when the target was completely hidden by the sights on a conventional hold.
 
I don't know what the bullet drop of a .54 cal. round ball is from 225 yards to 300 yards, let alone to 400 yards. Do you have that information?

I would love to try more experimentation at what is "Long Range" for a Flintlock, but only "Mid Range" for a modern rifle, but I'm afraid my overly repaired eyeballs can not do it anymore.

Gus
 
BrownBear said:
The thing that strikes me is that there were three people and three horses, one of them broadside, all in a tight clump. The "target" seen by the rifleman would essentially be 10' wide by 7' or 8' high.

You might call it "flock shooting" but even at 400 yards, that's a mighty big target with no wind. If he got the elevation anywhere close to right, his odds of hitting something were pretty good. And hit he did.

Lay up a 10'x7' target at 400 yards, and I bet a fairly high percentage of hits could be managed by an experienced rifleman with a good prone rest.

Actually, the only "hit" was the horse behind the Officers and none of the three men, total. With almost perfect conditions and plenty of time to take up a solid position, it was a good shot, but pretty obviously beyond the range of what the Rifleman was capable of hitting the torso of a man.

Gus
 
As a former Marine, I felt it necessary to nit pick one thing that you said:

"...In the spring, around the anniversary of the USMC...."

Actually, the birthday of the Marine Corps is November 10th not in the spring.

Probably not a big deal...unless you are a Marine. :hatsoff:
 
Bill,

You are not a "former Marine," you earned the title, served and was honorably discharged. So you ARE a Marine, though not on active duty.

Good call on catching that point.

Semper Fi,
Gus
 
Artificer said:
I don't know what the bullet drop of a .54 cal. round ball is from 225 yards to 300 yards, let alone to 400 yards. Do you have that information?

Nope, and that's why I was asking:
The front sight on my 54 cal GPR for example is right at 1/8" high, very similar to the reference in a previous post. With it sighted in dead on at 75 yards with the sights level, using the base of the front sight pushes my aimed POI out to about 225 yards. Haven't tried it yet, but with that sight hold, what would you guess my POI would be if I aimed at an English general's head at 400 yards?

But compared to aiming at the general's head with the sights level, POI is surely a whole bunch higher.

The great shots back then weren't novice shooters, any more than the great shots are novices today. They undoubtedly did a lot of shooting and a lot of figuring long before hearing a shot fired in anger. Stretching range for their rifles would have been an even bigger deal back then than today when they didn't have the option of letting their muzzleloaders molder in a closet while grabbing a modern sniper rifle to do the job. Had to make do with what they had to the limits of their skill, experience and equipment.

I'm saying they could certainly do a better job if they used a method that at least let them SEE their target. The elevated front sight does just that.

Did they do just that? Dunno. They clearly needed more accurate press coverage as badly as we do today. Doncha love it when a reporter talks about "bullet fire" and "bullets all over the ground" after a shooting. Folks reading that 200 years from now will be debating sloppy gun work with shooters spilling so much ammunition while they were in the thick of it. :wink:
 
BrownBear said:
Artificer said:
I don't know what the bullet drop of a .54 cal. round ball is from 225 yards to 300 yards, let alone to 400 yards. Do you have that information?

Nope, and that's why I was asking:
The front sight on my 54 cal GPR for example is right at 1/8" high, very similar to the reference in a previous post. With it sighted in dead on at 75 yards with the sights level, using the base of the front sight pushes my aimed POI out to about 225 yards. Haven't tried it yet, but with that sight hold, what would you guess my POI would be if I aimed at an English general's head at 400 yards?

But compared to aiming at the general's head with the sights level, POI is surely a whole bunch higher.

The great shots back then weren't novice shooters, any more than the great shots are novices today. They undoubtedly did a lot of shooting and a lot of figuring long before hearing a shot fired in anger. Stretching range for their rifles would have been an even bigger deal back then than today when they didn't have the option of letting their muzzleloaders molder in a closet while grabbing a modern sniper rifle to do the job. Had to make do with what they had to the limits of their skill, experience and equipment.

I'm saying they could certainly do a better job if they used a method that at least let them SEE their target. The elevated front sight does just that.

Did they do just that? Dunno. They clearly needed more accurate press coverage as badly as we do today. Doncha love it when a report talks about "bullet fire" and "bullets all over the ground" after a shooting. :wink:

With the amount of documentation of them shooting at "Dog and Pony Show" exhibitions at 150 yards, I imagine they sighted in their rifles a bit high at 100 or 110 yards as this allowed a point of aim hold from 25 to 150 yards and still keep in a deer's vital area.

I do not mean to denigrate the original Riflemen, but how much evidence is there that they shot much beyond 200 yards before the War, in their normal hunting?

I do see stretching the range as a possibility, if not probability, when "someone else" was paying for the powder and ball in War time. Perhaps they used a technique like yours at that time.

Maybe someone who is better at logging in values for a .54 caliber round ball into computer program can give us some bullet drops at 300 and 400 yards?

Gus
 
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